Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XV: Trading up or down? - Mod Warning post #450

[nyr2k2]

I think Lias would be best served shifting to wing

If I guessed it, I would think it's the other way around.

 

[GregSirico]

I think hes poking fun at the generic GM speak that we hear pre draft.

Those lines are right up there with "we're very happy with what we accomplished at the draft", "We didn't expect player x to fall to us" and "we had player x rated way higher than this" during and after the draft.

Don't ruin my hopes and dreams

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

After Evander Kane set the market, I doubt it.

I’m not convinced some team is gonna give JVR 7x7. Kane is younger, I think teams are a bit hesitant to hand out those contracts to someone who is almost 30

But then again Oshie got a massive deal at 30 so who knows.

If the desire to play here is as great as it was for Shattenkirk, I think they’ll be in on him

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think Lias would be best served shifting to wing

I think it's the other way around honestly. Chytil would be better on the wing

 

[Ola]

I think there's more there with Domi being unhappy that Chayaka will be looking to improve the team

Yeah, losing is hard on any player. But it’s not only that in Arizona. There is absolutely zero energy around that team. They have lose for a long time now and most guys have only lost and played meaningless games in the NHL.

Again not to take all blame away from Domi, it’s not an absolute reason to lose energy and not be ready to perform 110% every night — but everyone aren’t perfect. I could bet that MSG would be enough for him to get going again.

Just don’t think he wants to be there.

 

[silverfish]

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[Gravey22]

If I guessed it, I would think it's the other way around.

It is early but yes kind of think Chytl in a wing spot. Anderson and Howden may provide back-to-back Centers that can bring an aggressive 2-way game. Like the statement having a bunch centers is not a problem !

 

[NYR Viper]

Yeah, losing is hard on any player. But it’s not only that in Arizona. There is absolutely zero energy around that team. They have lose for a long time now and most guys have only lost and played meaningless games in the NHL.

Again not to take all blame away from Domi, it’s not an absolute reason to lose energy and not be ready to perform 110% every night — but everyone aren’t perfect. I could bet that MSG would be enough for him to get going again.

Just don’t think he wants to be there.

That has been my feeling on it as well.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

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Less than 3 hours before he has to re-enter the draft.

 

[QJL]

I think it's the other way around honestly. Chytil would be better on the wing

I can say confidently both are capable of being top 6 centers. I expect them to stay down the middle and for Zib/Chy/Lias to be our center core for at least a few seasons. Howden is also a true center. It will be interesting to see where he fits in once he’s ready, likely next season.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I think it's the other way around honestly. Chytil would be better on the wing

If I guessed it, I would think it's the other way around.

Somewhat bold prediction is that optics say that Andersson is defensively responsible enough to handle playing center at the NHL, but Chytil is not. I could easily see them both being moved to wing, though.

Either way, what the Rangers have in the pipeline or on the team should not impact who they select. If they like Kotkaniemi, and think he's BPA at 9, he should be selected.

I think Lias game translates better to wing than it does for Chytil. You can teach Chytil the defensive responsibility part, his offense potential is off the charts.

If I was running the team, and I had to pick between moving one of them to wing, Lias would be the choice 10/10. Worst comes to worst you have to move Chytil to wing down the line.

I'd love Kotkaniemi though. Having him on top of Chytil and Howden would be amazing

 

[Ola]

After Evander Kane set the market, I doubt it.

Yeah, and there are so few UFAs out there, we won’t even get many indicators. Someone like Cam Atkinson who signed for around 5m must hate money, he would have made a fortune on the market.

Agents are replaced all the time, if they get a long term deal it’s money in the bank. They give bad advice to the players. When players are given the choice between A and B they so often opts for money. But they are leaving ton of it on the table to jump into long term deals before July 1. Grossman lost out on Kova. It sucks, having a client sign 5m x 7y is a lot of money for the agent.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think Lias game translates better to wing than it does for Chytil. You can teach Chytil the defensive responsibility part, his offense potential is off the charts.

If I was running the team, and I had to pick between moving one of them to wing, Lias would be the choice 10/10. Worst comes to worst you have to move Chytil to wing down the line.

I'd love Kotkaniemi though. Having him on top of Chytil and Howden would be amazing

If we get Kotkaniemi he can battle for the top center spot in a few years with Chytil. It's a very good young center core to have. Add Howden and Lias and we can spread out chances and hope one of them develops into a true 1C.

 

[Mac n Gs]

If we take JK, so be it. I’d rather be top-heavy at forward and be more dangerous up front with higher goal scoring potential.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

If the worst case scenario is the NYR wind up with elite C depth long term, that's not a bad thing.

The most coveted position in trades as well.

More than fine with JK at #9.

 

[RGY]

If we get Kotkaniemi he can battle for the top center spot in a few years with Chytil. It's a very good young center core to have. Add Howden and Lias and we can spread out chances and hope one of them develops into a true 1C.

I keep forgetting Howden. He can turn out to be a real solid 2/3C for years to come, much like Stepan was.

 

[silverfish]

It's gonna be Farabee barring an epic fall from grace from one of the unanimous top 5 or 6 guys.

 

[Ola]

I think Lias game translates better to wing than it does for Chytil. You can teach Chytil the defensive responsibility part, his offense potential is off the charts.

If I was running the team, and I had to pick between moving one of them to wing, Lias would be the choice 10/10. Worst comes to worst you have to move Chytil to wing down the line.

I'd love Kotkaniemi though. Having him on top of Chytil and Howden would be amazing

The challenge for a center turning wing is that you can feel like you are target practice for the Ds at times.

You are getting passes from your own end and more or less have to be looking over your shoulder, and a few feets infront of you have a pack of defenders just waiting to line you up and that will step up on you immediately as you get a pass.

Most centers can coupe with that even if it feels unusual, but bigger guys who need more open ice like say Kopitar or Malkin and the likes would definitely accomplish very little on the wing compared to at center if put on the former. A Mike Modano or Sergei Federov, putting on the wing is not only a waste, they wouldn’t get time to build up speed either.

Wingers who have played under that conditions their entire life is of course more used to it. Timing it.

Chytil is still inventing his game and growing physically. Right now I would say that he has — tendencies — of being a skater that would end up a lot in no mans land if he played the wing.

But who knows if that would be the case 1/3/5 years from now. Will he beef up? The kid is still 18 for many more months. He could look like a linebacker in 6 years...

 

[Ola]

Howden and Spooner for Domi

Silverfish could be right on Domi. I think the coach is telling Chyaka, listen things went sour here with Domi. We need to get things right in the locker room. Deal Domi. Tie is telling Max, listen son, you gave it your all but I can tell that you aren’t happy, don’t be afraid of failing on your first try, let me talk to your agent. Chyaka goes, wait let me think it through and disregards chemistry and atmosphere and due process for other factors. It was like that in EDM all those years too, we can’t deal X now because his value is at an all time low. They kept guys in a horrible environment. They ended up dealing Yaks and Eberle for like a borderline 4h lineer...

 

[True Blue]

It's gonna be Farabee barring an epic fall from grace from one of the unanimous top 5 or 6 guys.

I have been getting that feeling for quite a while. Character, compete level, 200 ft game, combined with a high skill level......Seems to be a good pick to be guessing at.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I keep forgetting Howden. He can turn out to be a real solid 2/3C for years to come, much like Stepan was.

I think a lot of people are forgetting about both Howden and Hajek because there hasn't been a lot of reporting on them. And, Ranger fans have not watched them obviously. I was at the Sweden-Czech Republic game in Buffalo (World Juniors) but was only focused on Chytil, Lias and Dahlin for obvious reasons. I went through some photos I took and found one of Chytil sitting in front of me and Hajek is actually on the ice on the other side (near the penalty box) with no 3:

If only I knew back then we'd acquire him. I would have paid more attention hahahaha

 

[Fitzy]

If I guessed it, I would think it's the other way around.

Somewhat depends on the system, but at face value I agree.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Howden and Spooner for Domi

Silverfish could be right on Domi. I think the coach is telling Chyaka, listen things sour here with Domi. We need to get things right in the locker room. Deal Domi. Tie is telling Max, listen son, you gave it your all but I can tell that you aren’t happy, don’t be afraid of failing on your first try, let me talk to your agent. Chyaka goes, wait let think it through and disregards chemistry and atmosphere and due process for other factors. It was like that in EDM all those years too, we can’t deal X now because his value is at an all time low. They kept guys in a horrible environment. They ended up dealing Yaks and Eberle for like a borderline 4h lineer...

Why do people want Domi? I honestly don't get it. And I am definitely not giving up Howden+Spooner for him

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Howden and Spooner for Domi

Meh. I'd pass.

 

[Thirty One]

It's gonna be Farabee barring an epic fall from grace from one of the unanimous top 5 or 6 guys.

There's a unanimous 5 or 6?