Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XV: Trading up or down? - Mod Warning post #450

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Also posting here as @ManUtdTobbe. :)
Haha I am not a frequent poster at all nor have any ties to any users on here. I was just mentioning that I would rather have Wahlstrom over Dobson. Cannot really go wrong either way, but I just feel that the better investment would be made with Wahlstrom. And I do loathe defensive assets over offensive so it is quite the conundrum.
 
So is Corey Pronman...

The entire article is behind a paywall so I can't post it, but here is a snippet for you to check out on Kotkaniemi

Completely agree with Pronman here and I've said basically the same things. Great playmaker, very noticeable, sees the ice and his ability to read the play is what gives him the upper-hand. I compared Lias Andersson to football Jari Litmanen, with his vision basically making up for his slower movement compared to others.

Kotkaniemi has that same vision but with a bit more pace. What he lacks in the physical aspect of the game, he makes up for with his playmaking. I also see what Pronman says about him not being afraid to try to risky pass. He really sees the game and manages to make those crisp passes that you just don't expect.

One other thing about Kotkaniemi that you see with a lot of European young skaters these days (Buchnevich, Necas, Chytil, Lias, Boqvist, Dahlin, Pettersson etc all have this) is that they rarely dump the puck. Instead, they circle back and try to build an attack from the back. I think the different style is refreshing to see when you are watching NHL hockey each night. It takes the tempo out of the game at times, but it makes the talented players with good playmaking skills and vision more important to the game of hockey.

And let's not forget that Kotkaniemi is doing all this at the age of 17, in Liiga, the 3rd best league in Europe, against professional hockey players. Liiga might be a step down from the SHL but it's still a high quality league. At the start of the season, everyone was zoned in on Kupari but I never had the same gut feeling about Kupari that I had about Kotkaniemi. While he is a flashy player when he gets into the game, Kupari lacks the consistency and patience. Not a bad player and still first round talent, but Kotkaniemi has definitely shown to be the superior player. If we somehow draft Kotkaniemi, I will probably plan to see him a few times when I go to Helsinki again in September and November. Pori is a city I have not visited yet ;)
 
Teams want more first round picks.



NYR with 3.
NYI, OTT, DET, CHI, PHI all with 2.


I think hes poking fun at the generic GM speak that we hear pre draft.

Those lines are right up there with "we're very happy with what we accomplished at the draft", "We didn't expect player x to fall to us" and "we had player x rated way higher than this" during and after the draft.
 
From what I have seen and heard Chayka has an old school hockey mentality. Players are pieces of meat. (BTW, that’s how I was trained 40 years ago) They are judged solely by performance. He leaves the room to the coaches and players and doesn't get involved in feelings or other locker room issues.

Domi is an interesting case. For a while, the Coyotes started to position him as the new face of the franchise. Not so much any more. They traded his best friend — Duclair. The effort always seems to be there but the production has been very disappointing.

I think any movement comes down to whether Chayka sees a hockey trade benefitting the team. No more, no less.

The bigger elephant in the Coyotes room is whether or not they can get OEL signed by the draft.
 
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Completely agree with Pronman here and I've said basically the same things. Great playmaker, very noticeable, sees the ice and his ability to read the play is what gives him the upper-hand. I compared Lias Andersson to football Jari Litmanen, with his vision basically making up for his slower movement compared to others.

Kotkaniemi has that same vision but with a bit more pace. What he lacks in the physical aspect of the game, he makes up for with his playmaking. I also see what Pronman says about him not being afraid to try to risky pass. He really sees the game and manages to make those crisp passes that you just don't expect.

One other thing about Kotkaniemi that you see with a lot of European young skaters these days (Buchnevich, Necas, Chytil, Lias, Boqvist, Dahlin, Pettersson etc all have this) is that they rarely dump the puck. Instead, they circle back and try to build an attack from the back. I think the different style is refreshing to see when you are watching NHL hockey each night. It takes the tempo out of the game at times, but it makes the talented players with good playmaking skills and vision more important to the game of hockey.

And let's not forget that Kotkaniemi is doing all this at the age of 17, in Liiga, the 3rd best league in Europe, against professional hockey players. Liiga might be a step down from the SHL but it's still a high quality league. At the start of the season, everyone was zoned in on Kupari but I never had the same gut feeling about Kupari that I had about Kotkaniemi. While he is a flashy player when he gets into the game, Kupari lacks the consistency and patience. Not a bad player and still first round talent, but Kotkaniemi has definitely shown to be the superior player. If we somehow draft Kotkaniemi, I will probably plan to see him a few times when I go to Helsinki again in September and November. Pori is a city I have not visited yet ;)

Two months ago I was here saying who the heck is Kotkaniemi and why do we want him? I haven't seen him ranked high at all. A few posters here educated me on why I was wrong and CLEARLY I was. Every time I see this kids name on a rankings list he is going higher and higher.
 
I like Domi a LOT more than Bennett. I see much more skill in Domi.

I just wonder what Arizona would be looking for. I doubt they want a 1st for Domi, I presume that Chayka wants to add to the roster.
 
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Mario and Tie Domi are best friends. Mario is trying to acquire Tie’s kid. The Rangers have a family connection with Domi. Adam Graves married Domi ‘s first cousin Violet. Adam and Tie were roommates when they joined the Rangers in 1991. The Rangers have not expressed any interest in acquiring Domi.

The Rangers are an open canvass. They don’t have many contract commitments. All of them are not long term commitments. Zibanejad is the longest with 4 years remaining.
 
Two months ago I was here saying who the heck is Kotkaniemi and why do we want him? I haven't seen him ranked high at all. A few posters here educated me on why I was wrong and CLEARLY I was. Every time I see this kids name on a rankings list he is going higher and higher.

This could be that one kid where I was right early on. It's exciting. Reminds me of 2014 when I was raving about Barzal (who I love as a T-birds fan).

I may not watch a lot of junior hockey (Aside from T-birds games) but this last year has been crazy, getting to travel for work all over Europe and seeing all these prospects play. Dahlin, Boqvist, Kotkaniemi, Bokk, Kaut, Zadina (EHT), Lauko, Eggenberger, Ylonen, Kupari, Lundkvist, Dostal Jenik. Living so close to the Czech Republic is a blessing! I even got to see Jagr play in Kladno (well, for 2 minutes until he went off with a concussion haha)
 
Mario and Tie Domi are best friends. Mario is trying to acquire Tie’s kid. The Rangers have a family connection with Domi. Adam Graves married Domi ‘s first cousin Violet. Adam and Tie were roommates when they joined the Rangers in 1991. The Rangers have not expressed any interest in acquiring Domi.

The Rangers are an open canvass. They don’t have many contract commitments. All of them are not long term commitments. Zibanejad is the longest with 4 years remaining.

More than an open canvas, they have third most available cap space at the moment.

That will change, but they could literally go in any direction they please right now, for better or for worse.
 
If Kovy goes else where, wonder if they shift to JVR assuming his interest in signing for less to play here is true
 
I think if the Rangers hadn't taken two centers last year, Kotkaniemi would probably be getting a lot more attention around here.

He's a good prospect and has worked is way into that top end of prospects in this draft.
 
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I think if the Rangers hadn't taken two centers last year, Kotkaniemi would probably be getting a lot more attention around here.

He's a good prospect and has worked is way into that top end of prospects in this draft.
Are both Andersson and Chytil centers long term? I'm not so sure.
 
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Zuccarello (50% retained) + 26th overall for Kyle Connor + Steve Mason

Both sides probably say no but just a thought...

Probably can get Roslovic from Winnipeg for a Zucc deal if we absorb Mason's full cap hit. Definitely think there is a deal to be made somewhere with them involving Zucc, Mason and a young winger, adding/subtracting on both sides as needed.
 
I think Lias would be best served shifting to wing
Somewhat bold prediction is that optics say that Andersson is defensively responsible enough to handle playing center at the NHL, but Chytil is not. I could easily see them both being moved to wing, though.

Either way, what the Rangers have in the pipeline or on the team should not impact who they select. If they like Kotkaniemi, and think he's BPA at 9, he should be selected.
 
I think if the Rangers hadn't taken two centers last year, Kotkaniemi would probably be getting a lot more attention around here.

He's a good prospect and has worked is way into that top end of prospects in this draft.

Plus they picked up Howden at the deadline. But You take BPA even if it’s another center in the prospect pipeline. 1. You don’t know if all these kids will pan out as NHL centers 2. The center position has more value just by nature
 
I wouldn't worry about there being "too many" centers in the system.

Let the ones suited to play C stay there and the others can fill the wings/be used in trades.


If Kovy goes else where, wonder if they shift to JVR assuming his interest in signing for less to play here is true

After Evander Kane set the market, I doubt it.
 
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