Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[Machinehead]

I'm not shocked Lafreniere's underlying numbers look better with Panarin. I dont think it necessarily correlates to winning to have them on the same line. Especially when Lafreniere is playing his off wing.

Scoring more than 2 goals every 121 minutes correlates to winning.

I find the off-wing thing suddenly coming back up to be odd considering any success that Lafreniere has had in this league has come at RW.

To me, that's his permanent position now based on the evidence I've seen.

 

[Machinehead]

To me he has been hit and miss at puck carrying. You see glimpses of elite puck handling talent, so u know he can do it.

But all too often you just see bleh, like he is overthinking (not letting the game come to him) or even worse not trying which seemed to be December.

And as another poster added, he floats alot. He does try to get to open areas, but his feet arent constantly moving. And he is avoiding contact this year which he wasnt in past years.

I really have no clue why Laf isnt putting up big numbers. Is it not meshing, is it in his head, is it a combination?

I dont think it is talent. There is a reason he was a clear cut #1 and u have seen glimpses of it. But effort, consistency and drive have all been up/down sideways and just wonky.

We have five years of NHL data telling us he just isn't that good, and we're still measuring his talent based on two years in Quebec playing with children.

 

[McRanger92]

Scoring more than 2 goals every 121 minutes correlates to winning.

I find the off-wing thing suddenly coming back up to be odd considering any success that Lafreniere has had in this league has come at RW.

To me, that's his permanent position now based on the evidence I've seen.

Keep him at RW and play him with Chytil and Cuylle than. Chytil can carry the puck. They can't be 1 line team. especially when the one line isnt performing like the best line in hockey as it was last year. Panarin has also played his best hockey as a Ranger with Lafreniere, which isnt nothing. Hell play Kreider on the right with panarin and trocheck. He's pretty close to Laf's player profile.

 

[Machinehead]

Lafreniere is objectively a top six forward. That's what we have and that's all we know.

We shouldn't make another drastic change trying to get "his best." We should operate under the assumption that 23-24 was his best and try to repeat that. He was around 30-30 mostly at even strength. I don't think you're beating that. That's what this player is.

If anything, what we need to do is get this kid to be productive on the powerplay, because holy shit does he suck a willy at it. He looks like he's never played hockey before on the powerplay.

I do think there's an element there of him running every powerplay he was ever on and then he gets to the NHL and he's not running it. And no, just letting him run it is not the answer. Hell, the ship has already sailed on him ever being as good at that as Fox is.

Teach him how to play a second-option role on the powerplay in the off-season. He's a good finisher and can make quick passes. He has bumper written all over him.

 

[bernmeister]

We could use him here.

do not want

 

[McRanger92]

Lafreniere is objectively a top six forward. That's what we have and that's all we know.

We shouldn't make another drastic change trying to get "his best." We should operate under the assumption that 23-24 was his best and try to repeat that. He was around 30-30 mostly at even strength. I don't think you're beating that. That's what this player is.

If anything, what we need to do is get this kid to be productive on the powerplay, because holy shit does he suck a willy at it. He looks like he's never played hockey before on the powerplay.

I do think there's an element there of him running every powerplay he was ever on and then he gets to the NHL and he's not running it. And no, just letting him run it is not the answer. Hell, the ship has already sailed on him ever being as good at that as Fox is.

Teach him how to play a second-option role on the powerplay in the off-season. He's a good finisher and can make quick passes. He has bumper written all over him.

I think he needs more time on the PP. Fox-Panarin-Lafreniere-Kreider-Trocheck. 3R/2L how it should be. That 4 righty set-up is very easy to defend when you get aggressive because they dont move enough.

 

[Ruggs225]

One thing about Laf is he needs to stop the “pull up and wait” move like panarin does.

He is better when he drives and is on the move. Also he has absolutely stickhandled around defenders showing very good toe drags and such. Im not against him trying more.

The pullup and wait “move” almost always ends up with nothing

I think he needs more time on the PP. Fox-Panarin-Lafreniere-Kreider-Trocheck. 3R/2L how it should be. That 4 righty set-up is very easy to defend when you get aggressive because they dont move enough.

Personally im hoping Kreider isnt here much longer.

 

[Machinehead]

One thing about Laf is he needs to stop the “pull up and wait” move like panarin does.

He is better when he drives and is on the move. Also he has absolutely stickhandled around defenders showing very good toe drags and such. Im not against him trying more.

The pullup and wait “move” almost always ends up with nothing

Tbh Panarin needs to stop with the "pull up and wait" move like Panarin does.

 

[Ruggs225]

Tbh Panarin needs to stop with the "pull up and wait" move like Panarin does.

You cant stop the panarin. Just hope to contain him. He should be forced pushups every-time he does this. he would be jacked by playoff time

 

[McRanger92]

One thing about Laf is he needs to stop the “pull up and wait” move like panarin does.

He is better when he drives and is on the move. Also he has absolutely stickhandled around defenders showing very good toe drags and such. Im not against him trying more.

The pullup and wait “move” almost always ends up with nothing


Personally im hoping Kreider isnt here much longer.

I dont think he will be either, but He's still the best option we have in front of the net until he's gone.

 

[Kocur Dill]

K but if he was so unlikable then why does he get invited to weddings?

He takes the attention from The Mutants at table 9.

 

[bobbop]

Lindgren will be moved by the trade deadline. There’s no real reason to keep him beyond that. Thank you for your service.

Jones is a maybe trade. Have to get something back in value. Rangers would also need to get another defenseman back if they move both.

Miller is probably an off season trade. There are teams that will be intrigued by his (supposed) high ceiling. He also has two years of team control. As I have said before, he represents Drury’s best chance to fleece someone.

Borgen? Maybe. Let’s see what happens in the next 6-8 weeks.

 

[noncents]

Pronman's ranking is the best u23 hockey players in the world, right now. It's not prospects.

Having a pro ranked ahead of a college player is a pretty cold take tbh.

what about all the juniors he has over pros? berkley catton over brock faber?


anyway this is essentially a list of players that rangers players will not return in trades, guaranteed

 

[Machinehead]

what about all the juniors he has over pros? berkley catton over brock faber?


anyway this is essentially a list of players that rangers players will not return in trades, guaranteed

Yeah, I looked at just the Rangers and I thought it was fair enough because it favored guys already in the NHL.

Then I looked at the rest of the list and it was just stupid.

 

[duhmetreE]

With Panarin, sometimes it's "won't." That's a legitimate criticism of Panarin. He has the ability to do what he wants.

With the others there's a whole lot of "can't." They don't handle the puck well enough to get it into hard areas.

I'm not convinced that Lafreniere isn't in the latter based on what I've seen. He's been very poor at carrying the puck as this level.

I disagree with that assessment of Laffy. IMO He’s shown he can carry the puck the past couple years. If you’re talking about when he first came into the league I’d agree, he used to get smothered. He has now learned how to give himself space and time and while he improved his skating a bit, I think he learned it from Panarin.

IMO Panarin, Laffy and Chytil are good at carrying the puck up. Tro is decent enough. But the team just needs to consistently cut through seams in the middle of the ice. Get open in high danger areas. Floating and puck watching on the perimeter does not lead to chances.

It’s a mentality imo. Play like you’re down a goal with seconds left. Attack please.

 

[duhmetreE]

Lafreniere is objectively a top six forward. That's what we have and that's all we know.

We shouldn't make another drastic change trying to get "his best." We should operate under the assumption that 23-24 was his best and try to repeat that. He was around 30-30 mostly at even strength. I don't think you're beating that. That's what this player is.

If anything, what we need to do is get this kid to be productive on the powerplay, because holy shit does he suck a willy at it. He looks like he's never played hockey before on the powerplay.

I do think there's an element there of him running every powerplay he was ever on and then he gets to the NHL and he's not running it. And no, just letting him run it is not the answer. Hell, the ship has already sailed on him ever being as good at that as Fox is.

Teach him how to play a second-option role on the powerplay in the off-season. He's a good finisher and can make quick passes. He has bumper written all over him.

30-30 at even strength is borderline elite

The power play does need to improve and adapt. I loved Vegas’ PP setup and I think our personnel would be perfect for it

 

[TominNC]

Doesnt play that way with Panarin. Last time we saw any fire from him was that Nashville game Panarin didnt play where Laf and Cuylle were getting into some shenanigans. It's a matter of veteran leadership imo.

You’d think he’d follow Trocheck more there

 

[McRanger92]

You’d think he’d follow Trocheck more there

I think even Trocheck eases up on it when he's playing with Panarin. They dont want to be taking penalties with that line on the ice, I guess. But its a lot a mentality thing.

 

[effen]

what about all the juniors he has over pros? berkley catton over brock faber?


anyway this is essentially a list of players that rangers players will not return in trades, guaranteed

I am the #1 Berkly Carton fan on this board and that is an aggressively stupid ranking.

 

[effen]

Bennett Sennacke or whatever who was a massive reach at 3OV over actual current 30 goal scorer caveman Seth Jarvis is also incredible.

Who needs 1st liners when you can have someone who might one-day be a 1st liner?

 

[McRanger92]

Bennett Sennacke or whatever who was a massive reach at 3OV over actual current 30 goal scorer caveman Seth Jarvis is also incredible.

Who needs 1st liners when you can have someone who might one-day be a 1st liner?

Not sure the NY Times editors even look before they let their dingbat writers hit publish.

 

[Cmox]

This twitter thread as a few tidbits on trades and thinking. It's a paywall article.

 

[TGWL]

Maybe Panarin is suffering because Laf doesn't move his feet? Maybe it's not Panarin's fault. Maybe Laf should move one foot after moving the other. Lafreniere isn't talent enough to play a perimeter game. As much as I hate the pull-up play by Panarin, him dumping the puck deep doesn't help if we don't have anybody skating hard to retrieve the puck. I would like to see Panarin not do that but I'd also like to see the rest of them forecheck for a loose puck if it gets dumped.

 

[leetch99]

One thing about Laf is he needs to stop the “pull up and wait” move like panarin does.

He is better when he drives and is on the move. Also he has absolutely stickhandled around defenders showing very good toe drags and such. Im not against him trying more.

The pullup and wait “move” almost always ends up with nothing


Personally im hoping Kreider isnt here much longer.

I'm kind of hoping Lafreniere is not here that much longer either....He certainly would not go straight up for Brady these days if ever . We likely would need to add a first rounder or a good prospect to get Ottawa or another club with a similar type guy like Tkachuk to bite .

I just look at Lafreniere and I see a guy that always appears to be in the same fog as Miller had /has out there . f you are not scoring then you at least should be involved physically and keep your feet moving and hope that one or two hit the back of the net instead of standing around doing dick all to help your team . I'm losing hope in him .

 

[noncents]

I'm kind of hoping Lafreniere is not here that much longer either....He certainly would not go straight up for Brady these days if ever . We likely would need to add a first rounder or a good prospect to get Ottawa or another club with a similar type guy like Tkachuk to bite .

I just look at Lafreniere and I see a guy that always appears to be in the same fog as Miller had /has out there . f you are not scoring then you at least should be involved physically and keep your feet moving and hope that one or two hit the back of the net instead of standing around doing dick all to help your team . I'm losing hope in him .

but you wanna resign lindgren