haohmaru
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You don't trade Fox. It's like trading Zubov again. We've had 4 defensemen in our history like Fox - Leetch, Zubov and Park. Fox is a cornerstone.
Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)
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You don't trade Fox. It's like trading Zubov again. We've had 4 defensemen in our history like Fox - Leetch, Zubov and Park. Fox is a cornerstone.
zlev
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imagine the haul we could've got for Igor two months ago. goddamnit.
RangerBoy
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The Rangers are stuck with the 4 horsemen. Ric Flair, Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard were the 3 main horsemen. Ole Anderson was there for some time. Ole got old. The 4th one alternated between Lex Lugar, Sting, Sid Vicious, Barry Windham,etc. Artemi Panarin, Mika Zibanejad and Chris Kreider are the three main members of the 4 horsemen.The 4th horseman was Ryan Strome and now it's Vincent Trocheck. Those guys suck up all of the ice-time and cap space. All of the major minutes go to those players. Chytil couldn't get on the ice late in the game last night. He was only the best player on the ice for both teams. Kakko didn't get the minutes here. Lafreniere doesn't get the minutes.
Trade Kreider. Trade Trocheck. Teams will climb buildings for Trocheck. Which buildings? How high are they willing to climb? Don't tell me a 32 year old player in July with four years remaining on his contract in untouchable. The same ballon heads will be ripping Drury for keeping Trocheck when his play drops. Panarin's contract is up next summer. It's next summer 2026 because tomorrow is 2025. Mika is the one guy who could be an issue.
Trade Kreider. Trade Trocheck. Teams will climb buildings for Trocheck. Which buildings? How high are they willing to climb? Don't tell me a 32 year old player in July with four years remaining on his contract in untouchable. The same ballon heads will be ripping Drury for keeping Trocheck when his play drops. Panarin's contract is up next summer. It's next summer 2026 because tomorrow is 2025. Mika is the one guy who could be an issue.
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As much as it would suck to see Panarin lift a Cup with the Caps and dealing with Washington to begin with, this is the kind of return I'd be looking for. You can't trade every single player for picks. Need to mix in some prospects and warm NHL bodies in there too. We may need to take back a player like Mangipane for cap purposes.
No need to get a 3rd team involved. Just retain 50% and maximize the return. This team isn't contending next year either.
would sell high if agrees to go to a contender
I think the best fit is bread -- not CK -- to Dallas for Bichsel.
Howev Stars cap = max retain not enuf
we need to figure a partner - ANA ? - who will 3rd team for a 2nd retain and identify what they get paid, and by whom
so 3 way
Panarin 11.6+ reduced 5.6+ to an even 6 to ANA for Helleson + ___ = Bich
who instantly reduce that 50% to 3per this season and next -> to DAL
Bich to NYR
ANA gets
2 4th rounders from NY for chipping in Helleson and eating 3m for 1.5 seasons
and ________________ from Dallas
something like that
if we can deal Fox + small + for Kleven + Pinto + Greig + larger +
that w/above would =
2 large lefty elc LDs who play either side
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I agree with all of this, but why are we trading Fox independently of the 4 horseman?
LOL'ing that the Caps would look to Artemi Panarin of all people to put a team of guys who have won a Cup before over the top. 0.00% chance Ryan Leonard gets traded. He is the heir apparent to Ovie for them.
Shesty + Tro + 2026 1st + 2 lesser pieces
for
Byfield, Helenius, Clarke, Dvorak + cap dump(s) [Rittich?]
that + what I said about Fox to OTT solves many probs
also try Panarin to DAL as described
do not rush Kreider out the door
reassess as he heals
if moving still makes sense that is an option for later
RangerBoy
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Zubov wasn't the perfect player. In Dallas, he played on D corps with two giants in Derian Hatcher and Richard Matvichuk. Darryl Sydor was an excellent player. In NY. Zubov played with Leetch on the PP. Rangers management could wait to get rid of him. He was a smaller D and the Flyers made Sergei shit his pants. Pittsburgh moved Zubov after one season. Mario hated playing with him. Zubov is in the HHOF. They let anyone in the HOF these days.
The Rangers should be able to get one cornerstone player along with a few other things for Fox.
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McCollum was signed to an AHL deal i believe, I would be shocked if he's not assigned to the ECHL later today or tomorrow. The FPHL is a lower league then the ECHL.
The Rangers aren't trading Garand nor are they trading Shesh unless, as others have said, demanded out (which i doubt).
The Rangers likely have approached Quick and asked him if he wants one more kick at the can to win a cup as a backup for a contender.
Garand then moves up to the NHL to see what he's got. Dominique/Boyko in the AHL and Ollas/McCollum in the ECHL.
One thing for sure, Rangers need to draft a goalie or 2 this summer.
The Rangers aren't trading Garand nor are they trading Shesh unless, as others have said, demanded out (which i doubt).
The Rangers likely have approached Quick and asked him if he wants one more kick at the can to win a cup as a backup for a contender.
Garand then moves up to the NHL to see what he's got. Dominique/Boyko in the AHL and Ollas/McCollum in the ECHL.
One thing for sure, Rangers need to draft a goalie or 2 this summer.
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The Caps are legit contenders. If they aren’t willing to move Leonard (for the right deal) to get Ovie another cup, then that is a legit fireable offense.
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i posted a trade idea here and got ripped that it was too much to give up for Pettersson but I actually think Vancouver would turn it down. it was Zibanejad (50% retained), Miller, Othmann and Perreault for Pettersson and Desharnais. I really dont want to include Perreault but I think this is probably the kind of package Vancouver would be looking for and I expect other teams with more prospects to drive up the price. what do you think?
RangerBoy
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The 4 horsemen will not bring back as much as Fox. Put all of the returns together for the rentals, Fox, Trocheck, Kreider and Miller(he is lost/his agent Ian Pulver was looking for a big number prior to this season),add the Rangers first in 2025 which should be a good pick and Perreault. Build a new era of Rangers hockey. Bring up Othmann. Jake Neighbors is contributor with the Blues. Othmann is a better player than Neighbors.
KirkAlbuquerque
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Not with Drury making the trade. We’d probably end with a 4th liner and a 3rd round pick
haohmaru
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Nobody said he was. Would've been nice, though, if he stayed here and won the two Cups with us instead of Dallas. He's not a HOF'er IMHO and I really don't give a shit who Mario liked playing with.
Fox is a generational D that wants to play here. Trading him is f***ing stupid. He's not replaceable.
You know who I'd really love to acquire right now? Down year, not playing a lot of minutes... Matias Maccelli. That kid is f***ing nasty. Playmaking ability and hands are incredible. He would immediately be the 3rd best passer on the team behind Panarin and Fox. This team for years at best was a middle of the road team at 5v5 scoring and at worst bottom half of the league. I could see him helping that area for us. We really need another player that can play with speed, make plays and generate offense on their own. He's on a really cheap deal for another year after this and still an RFA when it expires.
Something worth mentioning as well... last year he notched 57 points. The year prior he had 49 in 64 games. That rate would put him at over 60 points for a full season. The tidbit to that? He rarely has ever played with their other top players. He doesn't play with Keller, he doesn't play with Cooley. He doesn't get the lion's share of powerplay minutes. He's put up pretty gaudy numbers carrying 3rd liners. Nick Bjugstad, Lawson Crouse, that's largely who he's played with. In my eyes that's a player you'd look at and say they're being underutilized, he's incredibly undervalued. What do his numbers look like playing with other high end players? What do they look like if he's featured on a powerplay? Different play styles, but it's a bit like TB targeting Hagel. He was a cheap, cost controlled player on the rise. He's becoming a star over there.
I mainly want futures in our returns. But this is a guy I'd feel really comfortable targeting. He's still just 24. I look at our future forward group. Who knows what will happen with Panarin. Good chance he's gone. Same for Kreider. Kakko is gone. Can Cuylle keep up this pace and cement himself as a top 6 guy? What about Othmann? Maybe an outside shot for Berard? Laf is a lock. Perreault certainly has the potential. Lots of uncertainty. There's absolutely room for another highly skilled top 6 winger.
Something worth mentioning as well... last year he notched 57 points. The year prior he had 49 in 64 games. That rate would put him at over 60 points for a full season. The tidbit to that? He rarely has ever played with their other top players. He doesn't play with Keller, he doesn't play with Cooley. He doesn't get the lion's share of powerplay minutes. He's put up pretty gaudy numbers carrying 3rd liners. Nick Bjugstad, Lawson Crouse, that's largely who he's played with. In my eyes that's a player you'd look at and say they're being underutilized, he's incredibly undervalued. What do his numbers look like playing with other high end players? What do they look like if he's featured on a powerplay? Different play styles, but it's a bit like TB targeting Hagel. He was a cheap, cost controlled player on the rise. He's becoming a star over there.
I mainly want futures in our returns. But this is a guy I'd feel really comfortable targeting. He's still just 24. I look at our future forward group. Who knows what will happen with Panarin. Good chance he's gone. Same for Kreider. Kakko is gone. Can Cuylle keep up this pace and cement himself as a top 6 guy? What about Othmann? Maybe an outside shot for Berard? Laf is a lock. Perreault certainly has the potential. Lots of uncertainty. There's absolutely room for another highly skilled top 6 winger.
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The Crypto Guy
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Yes, your probably right, but that player coming back would have to be a Sidney Crosby.
They aren't taking on garbage Kreider/Mika and trading away a legit power forward who will replace AO (Obviously not as good though).
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The worst part of this team sucking is that all of the idiotic takes about trading everyone are back.
UAGoalieGuy
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Perreault is probably the most untouchable player in the Rangers organization. Short of being included in a deal for McDavid or Drai he's not getting moved.
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I just love this idea that the Rangers should trade an on-any-team cornerstone player that's 26 for maybe another one. Like you live in fantasy land. What's that family guy quote? Sure it's a boat but the mystery box can be anything, it could even be a boat!
They focus on "the guys that suck" because they're the by and large culprits of why we're not good enough. It's not hard to figure out. I know this is probably exactly what you want but you're going to trade Fox and then desperately search for the next Fox for 5+ years. Fox is a top 3 D in the league his whole career for a reason.
It's not even like shipping off a still-good Zib. At his best, he was a borderline top 10 C. it's not even like McD, who again was borderline top 15. This is a best in class player at a super premium position that you likely won't replace this generation. Again, i'm sure that's exactly what you want, but I don't know why you're so shocked that most of this board thinks it's hogwash.
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I think the idea would be trading Panarin there if he was open to it.
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zlev
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i think that is severely overrating him. i really like him too but i dont think you can get Pettersson without him included. maybe Vancouver would take a 1st instead? either way i think there are plenty of other teams that would beat any offer that doesn't include Perreault.
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I'm good not getting Pettersson in that case.
He isn't pushing us to win a cup, we probably don't even make the playoffs still with him at this stage.
UAGoalieGuy
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Pettersson just isn't the player to trade a top prospect like Perreault for. He has flaws and they have come to light over his career and more frequently this season. Then this whole thing with JT Miller? No thank you, not with Perrault in the deal.
