Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[haveandare]

You know who I'd really love to acquire right now? Down year, not playing a lot of minutes... Matias Maccelli. That kid is f***ing nasty. Playmaking ability and hands are incredible. He would immediately be the 3rd best passer on the team behind Panarin and Fox. This team for years at best was a middle of the road team at 5v5 scoring and at worst bottom half of the league. I could see him helping that area for us. We really need another player that can play with speed, make plays and generate offense on their own. He's on a really cheap deal for another year after this and still an RFA when it expires.

Something worth mentioning as well... last year he notched 57 points. The year prior he had 49 in 64 games. That rate would put him at over 60 points for a full season. The tidbit to that? He rarely has ever played with their other top players. He doesn't play with Keller, he doesn't play with Cooley. He doesn't get the lion's share of powerplay minutes. He's put up pretty gaudy numbers carrying 3rd liners. Nick Bjugstad, Lawson Crouse, that's largely who he's played with. In my eyes that's a player you'd look at and say their being underutilized, he's incredibly undervalued. What do his numbers look like playing with other high end players? What do they look like if he's featured on a powerplay? Different play styles, but it's a bit like TB targeting Hagel. He was a cheap, cost controlled player on the rise. He's becoming a star over there.

I mainly want futures in our returns. But this is a guy I'd feel really comfortable targeting. He's still just 24. I look at our future forward group. Who knows what will happen with Panarin. Good chance he's gone. Same for Kreider. Kakko is gone. Can Cuylle keep up this pace and cement himself as a top 6 guy? What about Othmann? Maybe an outside shot for Berard? Laf is a lock. Perreault certainly has the potential. Lots of uncertainty. There's absolutely room for another highly skilled top 6 winger.

Yea he’d be a great add, very zucc-ish with those hands

Pettersson just isn't the player to trade a top prospect like Perreault for. He has flaws and they have come to light over his career and more frequently this season. Then this whole thing with JT Miller? No thank you, not with Perrault in the deal.

Yea the time to move the farm for Pettersson had passed imo

 

[Kords]

Yes, your probably right, but that player coming back would have to be a Sidney Crosby.

They aren't taking on garbage Kreider/Mika and trading away a legit power forward who will replace AO (Obviously not as good though).

Fine, throw in Borgen then

 

[Peltz]

You don't trade Fox. It's like trading Zubov again. We've had 4 defensemen in our history like Fox - Leetch, Zubov and Park. Fox is a cornerstone.

You trade fox for a true cornerstone piece in return. A center that couod change the franchise would be only thing I’d accept, fully understanding that such a trade would take more than just Fox. Short of that, you keep Fox and try to build around him.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I agree with all of this, but why are we trading Fox independently of the 4 horseman?



LOL'ing that the Caps would look to Artemi Panarin of all people to put a team of guys who have won a Cup before over the top. 0.00% chance Ryan Leonard gets traded. He is the heir apparent to Ovie for them.

Heir apparent? Stop.

He's a nice player and surefire top 6 winger but I would bet my paycheck this week that he doesn't even sniff half of Ovechkin's career point totals.

 

[makdeniss]

I don’t think we will trade anyone at this stage

 

[haveandare]

You trade fox for a true cornerstone piece in return. A center that couod change the franchise would be only thing I’d accept, fully understanding that such a trade would take more than just Fox. Short of that, you keep Fox and try to build around him.

Fox is a true cornerstone piece and the rest of the defense is just horrendous aside from Jones who the organization hates for some stupid reason and Schneider who is pretty average. With Fil and Troch in the mix we very much need a cornerstone defender more than a center (though we badly need both)

 

[zlev]

Pettersson just isn't the player to trade a top prospect like Perreault for. He has flaws and they have come to light over his career and more frequently this season. Then this whole thing with JT Miller? No thank you, not with Perrault in the deal.

i fully disagree, he's an elite two way center and still only 26. i dont really care about the JT Miller thing, that dude has a problem with everyone.

 

[McRanger92]

The 4 horsemen will not bring back as much as Fox. Put all of the returns together for the rentals, Fox, Trocheck, Kreider and Miller(he is lost/his agent Ian Pulver was looking for a big number prior to this season),add the Rangers first in 2025 which should be a good pick and Perreault. Build a new era of Rangers hockey. Bring up Othmann. Jake Neighbors is contributor with the Blues. Othmann is a better player than Neighbors.

Othmann should be in the lineup Thursday. Zero reason for him not to be. Cuylle, Berard and Mr. Ed have stepped into the lineup from Hartford and been among our most effective players all year.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Fine, throw in Borgen then

Woah, now it’s way too lopsided. Drury would never allow it.

 

[GAGLine]

The Rangers should be able to get one cornerstone player along with a few other things for Fox.

In theory, but we all know things don't always go to plan. We traded McDonagh and Miller, and what do we have to show for it?

The Caps are legit contenders. If they aren’t willing to move Leonard (for the right deal) to get Ovie another cup, then that is a legit fireable offense.

Not every GM/owner is as stupid and impatient as the Rangers' pair.

 

[McRanger92]

Heir apparent? Stop.

He's a nice player and surefire top 6 winger but I would bet my paycheck this week that he doesn't even sniff half of Ovechkin's career point totals.

Im not saying he's a future hall of famer, Im just saying the Caps aren't trading a guy who can be a core piece for them when Ovi will be gone in a few years. Especially not for Panarin.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

i fully disagree, he's an elite two way center and still only 26. i dont really care about the JT Miller thing, that dude has a problem with everyone.

May be I'm reading too much into the comments made by the Canucks GM. If the problem was JT Miller, he wouldn't have said those things and he sure as hell wouldn't make Pettersson available.

All red flags. Not saying I wouldn't want Pettersson, just not of the cost of Perreault.

 

[Peltz]

I don’t think we will trade anyone at this stage

that would be malpractice

 

[Raspewtin]

Othmann should be in the lineup Thursday. Zero reason for him not to be. Cuylle, Berard and Mr. Ed have stepped into the lineup from Hartford and been among our most effective players all year.

he's a little rusty skating and timing wise. keep him in the A for two more weeks imo

 

[Filip Chytil]

The first pieces to fall should be Kreider, Lindgren, Smith, etc. Borgen too at the deadline since he's a UFA. Vesey. Look to see if Mika will waive. Maybe that's a summer move. Panarin at the deadline to a team for 2 playoff runs would return a nice package.......if Panarin wants to get moved.

Fox isn't being dealt unless there is something we don't know. Igor is only being dealt if he pulls a Patrick Roy.

I feel like it's kinda wild to talk about dealing Fox/Igor when we still have to deal Kreider/Lindgren/Smith/Borgen/Vesey/hopefully Mika if he waives.

 

[Raspewtin]

that would be malpractice

I mean not for nothing but this isn't exactly prime asset season. they're not going to, nor should they, give players away.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

You trade fox for a true cornerstone piece in return. A center that couod change the franchise would be only thing I’d accept, fully understanding that such a trade would take more than just Fox. Short of that, you keep Fox and try to build around him.

It’s easier to find a 1C than it is to find a Fox

 

[GAGLine]

I feel like it's kinda wild to talk about dealing Fox/Igor when we still have to deal Kreider/Lindgren/Smith/Borgen/Vesey/hopefully Mika if he waives.

And Miller, He needs to either be re-signed or traded. And then we've got to replace all these players. Some will come from the trades, but the only dmen we have under contract for next season are Fox and Schneider.

 

[McRanger92]

he's a little rusty skating and timing wise. keep him in the A for two more weeks imo

Fine, but I'm sick of watching Reilly Smith playing with Zibanejitis. As long as people have reasonable expectations for Othmann, we'll be happy. he plays with a similar fire to Berard and Cuylle. Probably a little more willing to fight and instigate from what I can tell.

 

[Raspewtin]

Fine, but I'm sick of watching Reilly Smith playing with Zibanejitis. As long as people have reasonable expectations for Othmann, we'll be happy. he plays with a similar fire to Berard and Cuylle. Probably a little more willing to fight and instigate from what I can tell.

Othmann is a real prick. starts stuff a lot and plays borderline with how he hits. Cuylle is more a good cop type imo. Othmann had real weaknesses heading into this year that i'm not totally sure he's adequately addressed, in addition to the rust, is why I want him to take a few more weeks.

 

[McRanger92]

The next guy to trade is K'Andre. You can make a meaningful change to the lineup with the player(s) you could get for him. Jones is just as good a player than KAM when you take height out of it. Lindgren is a deadline deal because you arent getting value by jumping the market for a dime a dozen rental d-man. kreider, we'll see. I think he should be traded for locker room purposes, but he probably has to show GMs he's intact. Who gives an eff about Smith and Vesey. People are going to be dumbfounded when Drury extends Borgen on the cheap. We have 2 defenseman under contract next year.

Miller for a young C. Add to make it happen based on the quality of player.

 

[Filip Chytil]

And Miller, He needs to either be re-signed or traded. And then we've got to replace all these players. Some will come from the trades, but the only dmen we have under contract for next season are Fox and Schneider.

Him too. Trade Miller. Forgot about him, but yes, he needs to go. Maybe they can get a young-ish center back for him. I don't know.

We need an entire new left side for our defense.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

If you hate the current defensive core, imagine it without Fox. It would be by far the worst d core in the league. Beyond stupid to consider moving him.

 

[Filip Chytil]

The next guy to trade is K'Andre. You can make a meaningful change to the lineup with the player(s) you could get for him. Lindgren is a deadline deal because you arent getting value by jumping the market for a dime a dozen rental d-man. kreider, we'll see. I think he should be traded for locker room purposes, but he probably has to show GMs he's intact.

Miller for a young C. Add to make it happen based on the quality of player.

If they get a young C back for him and Mika doesn't want to waive yet, move Mika to the wing. Trocheck/Chytil/young C received in Miller trade should be the three centers. If Mika doesn't want to waive, he can move his ass to the wing.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I dont see how the Caps could take on Panarin's cap hit this season unless the Rangers retained 50% and they took back say Ellers contract. They free up a lot next year but don't have any NHL goalies signed.