Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[Fitzy]

As long as everyone here is aware on and on board with the fact that NYR without Panarin are in a true rebuild agan an would not make the playoffs next season.

He's currently half of the team's offense.

 

[eco's bones]

To go back to the Kakko trade. When the press is reporting that numerous teams are interested that's why at least some of us think the return was underwhelming. Now as RB asserts that Borgen is worth a 2nd and a + that remains to be seen but if that's what he gets it changes the dynamic of the deal. Should keep in mind though that not all 1st's, 2nd's or draft picks in general are the same. There are early, middle and late round picks. Some draft years are better than others and some years kind of stink....like the year we took Lias. My take is this is not a great year. Drury has made solid picks in not so great years before but it's not something that can be taken for granted and those picks might have very realizable NHL upside but they are almost all bottom 6 or bottom pair upside. Mancini might turn into a 4D. They're good players but not really impactful players.

The Rangers were coming up on making a decision on Kakko. He had one RFA year left after this....and it was signing him to a longer term or move him. That decision would have been made later this year or this summer. The Rangers decided to move on.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

As long as everyone here is aware on and on board with the fact that NYR without Panarin are in a true rebuild agan an would not make the playoffs next season.

He's currently half of the team's offense.

If you assume that they don’t replace him at all then yes.

There’s no way they’ll let all that money sit unused.!

 

[NYR Viper]

As long as everyone here is aware on and on board with the fact that NYR without Panarin are in a true rebuild agan an would not make the playoffs next season.

He's currently half of the team's offense.

It would definitely create a massive void that would need to be filled. Decisions would need to be made moving forward to help offset that loss.

In saying that, it also likely opens up around $10m (assuming the players coming back add up to $1.6m or so)

 

[GAGLine]

As long as everyone here is aware on and on board with the fact that NYR without Panarin are in a true rebuild agan an would not make the playoffs next season.

He's currently half of the team's offense.

We're losing with him right now, and he only has 1 year left on his contract. Are we making the playoffs with him next year? Are we re-signing him at age 34? For how long and how much?

Can you honestly say that we're better off with Panarin next year, or the next 5 years, than we'd be with whatever assets we get back for him and all that cap space?

A "true rebuild again" doesn't scare me since we didn't go through a true rebuild the first time.

 

[Fitzy]

We're losing with him right now, and he only has 1 year left on his contract. Are we making the playoffs with him next year? Are we re-signing him at age 34? For how long and how much?

Can you honestly say that we're better off with Panarin next year, or the next 5 years, than we'd be with whatever assets we get back for him and all that cap space?

A "true rebuild again" doesn't scare me since we didn't go through a true rebuild the first time.

I think there's a significant possibility that Panarin, a late bloomer, will still be close to the best version of himself from 35-37, just like MSL and Zuccarello, his growth and stylistic comparables.

I think NYR should keep him and Trocheck, of all the forwards 30+

Unless McDavid or some younger superstar is certain to sign here, I'd rather we just give Bread 3x10 from 2026-2029

 

[Rongomania]

Heard a rumor they’re naming Borgen captain today.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I think there's a significant possibility that Panarin, a late bloomer, will still be close to the best version of himself from 35-37, just like MSL and Zuccarello, his growth and stylistic comparables.

I think NYR should keep him and Trocheck, of all the forwards 30+

Unless McDavid or some younger superstar is certain to sign here, I'd rather we just give Bread 3x10 from 2026-2029

I think that is the idea of signing Rantanen (if he'd even want to come to the Rangers). 2 way game, can score, can play center and has had personal and team success playoff success. Is some of that due to playing with a player like MacKinnon? Sure. Is Rantanen along for the ride? Not at all.

If you trade Panarin this summer, retaining $~2M, the Rangers could get a ransom. For folks saying he has a NMC, if the Rangers are pressing the reset button (e.g the trades they have made already plus of Kreider and Lindgren are dealt
) and give him the opportunity to go to a Cup contender like Dallas for example, i don't see why he wouldn't waive.

Bischel, Bertuzzi or Hemming, 2025 #1 and a 2026 #2 that becomes a #1 if the Stars win the cup in 2026.

Would love to go after McDavid though I'd be surprised if he left the Oilers.

 

[bhamill]

Drury loves soft wussy pond hockey that chokes in the playoffs and defense that can't skate or play defense. Until Drury is gone, things won't improve

Honestly, looking at Drury’s acquisitions and drafts, he emphasizes the opposite of soft. Who is a top draft choice or a player he traded for who is soft? Othmann, Sykora, Emery, Perrault… none are soft.

 

[UnSandvich]

Honestly, looking at Drury’s acquisitions and drafts, he emphasizes the opposite of soft. Who is a top draft choice or a player he traded for who is soft? Othmann, Sykora, Emery, Perrault… none are soft.

Kane is about it.

 

[kovazub94]

We're losing with him right now, and he only has 1 year left on his contract. Are we making the playoffs with him next year? Are we re-signing him at age 34? For how long and how much?

Can you honestly say that we're better off with Panarin next year, or the next 5 years, than we'd be with whatever assets we get back for him and all that cap space?

A "true rebuild again" doesn't scare me since we didn't go through a true rebuild the first time.

Yes it’s about opportunity cost. I don’t think decision on Panarin is happening this year -in theory Panarin can bring back a haul but is there a contender team out there that can absorb his full contract? Nope and it could be an issue since this is not the final year of his contract. Would the Rangers be willing to retain through next year? Then the cap space that opens in offseason is more like $6m that in this economy is not going to bring you much via UFA.

I can see one season of reset but I don’t think the FO would try anything that’s longer. If Drury is able to address D by next season - I think the team will be back to competing and if so not moving Panarin

 

[Leonardo87]

GDT will be up in a few, hung over this morning, need some time.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think there's a significant possibility that Panarin, a late bloomer, will still be close to the best version of himself from 35-37, just like MSL and Zuccarello, his growth and stylistic comparables.

I think NYR should keep him and Trocheck, of all the forwards 30+

Unless McDavid or some younger superstar is certain to sign here, I'd rather we just give Bread 3x10 from 2026-2029

To what end though?

If the goal is to go through an actual rebuild? Then I think keeping him around a bit actually can make a bit of sense as you need someone to take some of those minutes.

If you want to retool? He’s needs to go. If the goal is to win and get through the playoffs, they need to add guys who will help towards doing that. Panarin has been a colossal failure in that regard and that isn’t likely to get better with age.

 

[eco's bones]

We're losing with him right now, and he only has 1 year left on his contract. Are we making the playoffs with him next year? Are we re-signing him at age 34? For how long and how much?

Can you honestly say that we're better off with Panarin next year, or the next 5 years, than we'd be with whatever assets we get back for him and all that cap space?

A "true rebuild again" doesn't scare me since we didn't go through a true rebuild the first time.

If we do move Panarin---for two playoff runs we're going to need to get way more back than just a 1st round pick. A 1st rounder this year from any playoff bound team is not going to be better than our own. In his case we should get back a very, very good young NHL roster player plus picks/prospects and the entire package worthy of 3 or so first rounders. Panarin would be easily the biggest add any team could make towards a Stanley Cup challenge.

Not necessarily advocating for this by the way. I think Artemi has a few to several excellent years left to him. If the Rangers were to re-sign him it wouldn't necessarily bother me depending on % of cap hit and term. I might front load his contract but I wouldn't give him what he's making now.

 

[NYR Viper]

Yes it’s about opportunity cost. I don’t think decision on Panarin is happening this year -in theory Panarin can bring back a haul but is there a contender team out there that can absorb his full contract? Nope and it could be an issue since this is not the final year of his contract. Would the Rangers be willing to retain through next year? Then the cap space that opens in offseason is more like $6m that in this economy is not going to bring you much via UFA.

I can see one season of reset but I don’t think the FO would try anything that’s longer. If Drury is able to address D by next season - I think the team will be back to competing and if so not moving Panarin

Dallas can with some help but they could

To what end though?

If the goal is to go through an actual rebuild? Then I think keeping him around a bit actually can make a bit of sense as you need someone to take some of those minutes.

If you want to retool? He’s needs to go. If the goal is to win and get through the playoffs, they need to add guys who will help towards doing that. Panarin has been a colossal failure in that regard and that isn’t likely to get better with age.

The decision may not be up to Drury though. If in a 34 year old Panarin, I’m likely not signing in NY barring an overpayment if I want to win in the next 2 years. At that point, keeping Panarin means you are expecting to compete next year, which seems unlikely

 

[Synergy27]

Panarin to the Caps for Leonard.

Tank for Hagens.

Simple.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Dallas can with some help but they could



The decision may not be up to Drury though. If in a 34 year old Panarin, I’m likely not signing in NY barring an overpayment if I want to win in the next 2 years. At that point, keeping Panarin means you are expecting to compete next year, which seems unlikely

Don’t got me wrong, I’m behind moving him and am actually of the opinion that he’s one of the rotten eggs in the room.

Aside from that, I’ve seen more than enough of him in pressure filled games. He isn’t it and id like to turn the page completely from the summer of 2019.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

*APOLOGIES to or our FEMALE POSTERS*

There is an old song:


We might all have to wait until March 8th for return value.

 

[grachevsceiling]

Why is it always pond hockey or dump and grind big meanies?

Create a team that can do both as needed. Florida is that way. They can play pond hockey.

Panarin is the only thing exciting about watching this team besides Fox and the occasional Shesterkin MVP performance. I understand moving him but if they then get shut out on somebody with his kind of talent in FA (Rantanen, etc), then we’re going to have the most borging freaking team.

 

[MrAlmost]

Rantanen has massive mistake written all over it.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Rantanen has massive mistake written all over it.

Honest question, why does he give you those vibes and why do you feel that way?

 

[kovazub94]

Dallas can with some help but they could

Dallas can take the full $11.6 for this year and next?

Even so - one team?

 

[Synergy27]

Rantanen has massive mistake written all over it.

Agreed. Stop investing in the wing position. It’s the least important and the easiest to stop gap.

 

[Bruner4329]

For all you that are preaching tanking remember there are no guarantees. With our luck we do not even get a top 3 pick.

How the Lottery Works​

Lottery Odds: The lottery odds are weighted based on the teams' regular-season records. The team with the worst record has the highest chance of securing the first overall pick, though no team is guaranteed any specific pick.

Drawing Process: The lottery involves drawing a combination of balls to determine the first overall pick. The team with the winning combination receives the first pick, and this process is repeated for the second and third picks. After these are determined, the remaining teams are assigned picks based on their regular-season records.

Remaining Picks: After the top three picks are determined by the lottery, the remaining lottery teams receive picks in inverse order of their regular-season records.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Rantanen has massive mistake written all over it.

seriously. you would think we’d have learned by now but nope. we need to draft our OWN rantanen and stop trying to mooch off other teams development and drafting. half the reason guys like that are so valuable is because they’re cheap when you draft them. once they’re making a gajillion dollars they’re providing less value even if their point totals remain the same.