Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[Machinehead]

That doesn't look like sucking to me. I'd love to suck that much in the NHL at 34. I'm 35...

Oh I left out this year.

Getting old stinks.

 

[MrAlmost]

Oh I left out this year.

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Getting old stinks.

That's more like it. I think i could give you that on D now. And I'll sign for league minimum.

 

[RangerBoy]

If JT Miller at 32 years old is a replacement for Chris Kreider at 34 years old, or Artemi Panarin at 33 years old, or Mika Zibanejad at 32 years old, then yes.

Otherwise, you're right- it doesn't help.

In two years time, everyone will be trying to find a way to move JT Miller.

We read Drury wants to change the core of the team. Remake the locker room. I heard Emily Kaplan say that. The core group of forwards is older. Too many cliques. Drury's solution (allegedly) is trading for a 32 year old who has a reputation for grating on his teammates's nerves. The Rangers have had enough drama.

Drury needs to break up the core. The Rangers need a clear out.

 

[Machinehead]

That's more like it. I think i could give you that on D now. And I'll sign for league minimum.

I tell ya, these are some of most talented humans in the world, but I used to watch Derek Stepan skate and think "you know, I couldn't be that much worse."

 

[nyr2k2]

Oh I left out this year.

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Getting old stinks.

 

[Machinehead]

Love these guys.

1985 was written in 2004.

If 1985 was written now, it would be about 2006.

I know that so now everyone else has to know it too.

 

[Siddi]

I totally agree that we put these things in a binary way too much. The game is faster than ever which means reacting quicker in less space than ever. Doing the right things requires talent, smarts, and willingness to sort of "play through" which is something I always harp on. It's not about huge hits, it's about getting to the damn puck even if you get bumped and stop with the waving bullshit.

In pro wrestling they call it "stiff." Nobody goes out there to hurt people, but a lot of the best guys are gonna let you f***ing have it bit. Everything is hard and crisp and they're not afraid of contact because that looks real. Hockey players have to be stiff. I don't care if you're a skill guy. It's the f***ing NHL, everyone should have skill. Everyone has to play stiff too. That's what the hardest league in the world is.

The Rangers hurt themselves by putting this in a binary too. The whole culture on this team since Quinn (just giving a timeline, not harping on Quinn) us that the stars play 20 minutes a game together and can get away with murder, while your sandpaper gets 11 minutes together, and can't sneeze without getting benched. It creates a screwed up rewards system and lines that are not diverse. Line diversity is hugely important.

I do disagree just a bit on Fox and Panarin. I think, in the right environment, grit is contagious. With the right mix of guys and the team having the right habits, Panarin and Fox would buy in. Torts absolutely loved Panarin and Fox was a much more physical defender before this year.

The ability for that contagion to spread is not there in such a binary lineup.

Zibanejad never would. He's never shown it. He's just a flawed player who's had too many injuries, and he's just not it. We never should have extended him.

Also, low-key, Radko Gudas is really f***ing good actually.

I get you going to bat for Fox but Panarin with the potential to be grittier than Mika is where you lost me. Between those two Mika is the one who always raised his games come playoffs when the going gets tough. In fact he has out produced Panarin every single playoffs.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

That does nothing for us, unless he’s resigned.

Even if he is re signed, I don’t think he’s going to be worth his AAV to this team

Maybe, I'm more patience based anyway but thought it was interesting. I'm more than willing to bet on Perrault and Othmann being in our top 6 in a couple years. What we actually need to do is find a young center and fix the D.

In two years time, everyone will be trying to find a way to move JT Miller.

We read Drury wants to change the core of the team. Remake the locker room. I heard Emily Kaplan say that. The core group of forwards is older. Too many cliques. Drury's solution (allegedly) is trading for a 32 year old who has a reputation for grating on his teammates's nerves. The Rangers have had enough drama.

Drury needs to break up the core. The Rangers need a clear out.

Im ok dumping guys i want off the team now for a guy that can play for 2 years. The locker room is 10 ply soft, if Miller is a swap for Zibanejad then that helps in that regard. Add Othmann, a smart Rempe...things are moving in the proper direction.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Kyper and Bourne just had Rene Lavoie on and he mentioned a possibility of Mika going to Colorado in a Raantanen trade because they may not be able tonpay him and would like a cost controlled center, not sure what else would need to be added but sign me up if it's not ridiculous

Why? So we can pay him the 14 mil he's going to command? Last I checked he's not a center.

 

[Machinehead]

I get you going to bat for Fox but Panarin with the potential to be grittier than Mika is where you lost me. Between those two Mika is the one who always raised his games come playoffs when the going gets tough. In fact he has out produced Panarin every single playoffs.

I don't think it's mental. I'm not one of these people who thinks Zibanejad doesn't care. I'm not convinced anybody is like that at this level.

I just think he's a flawed player. He always was, and now the body is declining and he's let his worst habits irreparably creep into his game.

I would argue the best version of him was 2018-19 where he put up 74 points and was extremely effective at even strength, if not quite elite.

One of the many calamities that befell him (in addition to injuries and covid) was that insane shooting bender in 2020. Did more damage than it was worth. The expectations then became that he was gonna put up superstar numbers and he just isn't that player. He had to lean even more into fly-bys and cheating to maintain his offense. His defensive metrics have gotten worse every year since.

He hasn't shown that he can play with good habits in YEARS. I know nobody wants to hear it, but the warning signs were in his analytics before the extension that it wasn't going to be a good extension.

The analytics people and the people who want "grit" or whatever phrase you want to use always seem to be at odds, but really, guys with good habits who play direct hockey cause their teams to be better.

Zibanejad really only has a handful of seasons on his resume where his 5v5 play-driving is where it needed to be. Panarin did that last year. The worst version of Fox is still doing that.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

It baffles me to this day that people want to get rid of Panarin

I’m convinced that fans of this team genuinely just despise good players

 

[CommaSynapse]

I like Mavrik Bourque as a 3C with room to grow. Not a breakout year or anything like that for him, so we might be able to buy low.

Might be difficult to pry him out of there, but maybe Dallas would like to upgrade their wings or D for the playoffs...I can see Reilly Smith at 50% heading there, and maybe a guy like Borgen or Lindgren to add a bit more edge that they're not going to be getting from Nils.

Once Marchment comes back, they'd be that much stronger on the wings and still have space to add an extra center option with Seguin on LTIR.

Bourque seems like he'd be a good complement to Cuylle with his style of game. Good skater, some grit and energy to his game, a recent AHL scoring leader, and has had some leadership experience.

 

[McRanger92]

I like Mavrik Bourque as a 3C with room to grow. Not a breakout year or anything like that for him, so we might be able to buy low.

Might be difficult to pry him out of there, but maybe Dallas would like to upgrade their wings or D for the playoffs...I can see Reilly Smith at 50% heading there, and maybe a guy like Borgen or Lindgren to add a bit more edge that they're not going to be getting from Nils.

Once Marchment comes back, they'd be that much stronger on the wings and still have space to add an extra center option with Seguin on LTIR.

Bourque seems like he'd be a good complement to Cuylle with his style of game. Good skater, some grit and energy to his game, a recent AHL scoring leader, and has had some leadership experience.

Reilly and Borgen for Bourque is an interesting deal. I like Borgen but Mancini is there and the Rangers arent going to trade Schneider.

 

[Kravtsov420]

Ok I’m thankful he donated half his body to science. However, I’m not thankful we’re still using the other half of his body as a top pairing defenseman. Just a torso skatin around !

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Drury gets shit on rightfully all the time but he deserves credit for getting a 1st out of a "wants out of town" Nils. That might be his best work.

Nailed that one, he was never very good to begin with. The Org really did him a disservice throwing him into the league off the bat. He needed the AHL time and unfortunately for him, he didn't want anything to do with it.

Reilly and Borgen for Bourque is an interesting deal. I like Borgen but Mancini is there and the Rangers arent going to trade Schneider.

Reilly and Borgen won't get your Bourque.

I say this knowing full well that Borgen is probably overvalued and if he had a good 2 months he's going to return a 2nd or perhaps a 2nd+.

 

[Filip Chytil]

easy answer to this one

@will1066

 

[Hire Sather]

see Brad Marchand
see Tom Wilson
see Sean Avery
see Sam Bennett
see etc…

Yes, exactly.

Avery though doesn't belong in that list.

 

[Machinehead]

easy answer to this one

@will1066

The guy who said Avery should be in a gulag.

Mark Messier was more annoying than Avery, and did more things and stuff and more vibes than any player in NHL history if that's what you're going for. And is also f***ing Mark Messier.

Patrick Kane is also an instant excommunication pick.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Can I choose Lindros but choose him in the world where the Rangers traded for him before the Flyers did?

Prime Lindros+Messier would have ate so hard.

 

[Siddi]

I don't think it's mental. I'm not one of these people who thinks Zibanejad doesn't care. I'm not convinced anybody is like that at this level.

I just think he's a flawed player. He always was, and now the body is declining and he's let his worst habits irreparably creep into his game.

I would argue the best version of him was 2018-19 where he put up 74 points and was extremely effective at even strength, if not quite elite.

One of the many calamities that befell him (in addition to injuries and covid) was that insane shooting bender in 2020. Did more damage than it was worth. The expectations then became that he was gonna put up superstar numbers and he just isn't that player. He had to lean even more into fly-bys and cheating to maintain his offense. His defensive metrics have gotten worse every year since.

He hasn't shown that he can play with good habits in YEARS. I know nobody wants to hear it, but the warning signs were in his analytics before the extension that it wasn't going to be a good extension.

The analytics people and the people who want "grit" or whatever phrase you want to use always seem to be at odds, but really, guys with good habits who play direct hockey cause their teams to be better.

Zibanejad really only has a handful of seasons on his resume where his 5v5 play-driving is where it needed to be. Panarin did that last year. The worst version of Fox is still doing that.

Sure, but that is not the point here. You said you pick Panarin over Mika for "grit" but Mika is the player who has proven to elevate his game when more "grit" is needed. In fact, every single season. That is part I cant understand.

 

[Machinehead]

Can I choose Lindros but choose him in the world where the Rangers traded for him before the Flyers did?

Prime Lindros+Messier would have ate so hard.

As long as we're ripping that bong, we also never trade Zubov and roll into the mid-90's with two top-5 centers and two top-10 defensemen.

Four straight Cups. Detroit and Colorado can get some hands.

 

[Machinehead]

Sure, but that is not the point here. You said you pick Panarin over Mika for "grit" but Mika is the player who has proven to elevate his game when more "grit" is needed. In fact, every single season. That is part I cant understand.

Having done better in the playoffs in the past doesn't necessitate profiling better for the team going forward.

 

[will1066]

The guy who said Avery should be in a gulag.

Mark Messier was more annoying than Avery, and did more things and stuff and more vibes than any player in NHL history if that's what you're going for. And is also f***ing Mark Messier.

Patrick Kane is also an instant excommunication pick.

First guy looks like teenage Ryan Strome

 

[bernmeister]

Oh I left out this year.

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Getting old stinks.

don't do drugs kids

 

[Kravtsov420]

It’s so preposterous that we’re talking about giving up on laf when he showed what he could do in the playoffs last year. And this based off a historically bad stretch that we haven’t seen in two decades.
You can f*** right off