Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[80shockeywasbuns]

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He literally said the opposite to what Pagnotta reported.

He gave standard athlete responses.

That isn’t crushing anything.

 

[McRanger92]

Legitimately shocking this happened after he left the Rangers.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

There will be no rebuild, not for quite a while. They will retool on the fly, make of that what you will.

Zibs will leave/waive in the summer. We'll get JT back, we will add certainly.

We can hope that Bread and Kaliev have chemistry.

Laf needs to wake tf up.

I'd also keep K'Andre, let's see him a full season with Fox, once Lindgren is freed.

I want a season like Washington recently. Bummed out season lands them Leonard, and they're playoff team without him.

 

[McRanger92]

There will be no rebuild, not for quite a while. They will retool on the fly, make of that what you will.

Zibs will leave/waive in the summer. We'll get JT back, we will add certainly.

We can hope that Bread and Kaliev have chemistry.

Laf needs to wake tf up.

I'd also keep K'Andre, let's see him a full season with Fox, once Lindgren is freed.

I want a season like Washington recently. Bummed out season lands them Leonard, and they're playoff team without him.

Finally someone who is thinking clearly.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Probably could make a dedicated thread for this, when it's confirmed

Great now Mika’s definitely not waiving bjs NMC cuz he’ll get to DJ at South Beach next season.

 

[McRanger92]

To keep him off market what is the number?

It better be under 4mil

 

[Savant]

Wait until JT gives Gabe the evil eye. JT is not Messier. He won Cups with Wayne and without Wayne. He won playoff MVP in 1984 and league MVP in 1990. JT hasn't won anything in his career and he is giving Pettersson a hard time. JT is the leader of the Rangers. We are so f***ed. May god help us all.

I mean we aren’t that far removed from similar stories being written about MacKinnon (like his war on carbs/pasta) either. Obviously if that’s going to be your gimmick it helps a lot if you are winning cups/finalist for awards…

but if the goal is shake up the locker room/get rid of the country club atmosphere, then that’s the kind of team leadership you want to do that (rightfully or wrongfully). Everyone says we need an attitude adjustment; so it’s kind of weird to acknowledge we do and then say “not like that!”

 

[JohnC]

Staple is a f***ing idiot. Go back to covering the Islanders, Arthur.

I just said it in the PGT, but it's probably better for here. The MSG propaganda machine needs to stop spinning this team as if they're in the thick of the playoff race. They're the 7th worst team via points%, and it's ok to just admit this season is lost. They're the 2022-23 Calgary Flames from a vibes and performance perspective. That team kept fighting and just missed the playoffs, leading to mid-round pick and a good, but not great prospect.

Look at the u25 core of this team and what their realistic ceilings are on forward and defense. I'll include Fox because he's Adam Fox. Besides him, the rest are guys who appear to be a range of high-end support guys to good bottom-6 guys. The issue is that they're still missing the guy up front to build the team around, and that's not some quick fix that's realistically made via trade or UFA. Even if they get Hagens in the draft, I think people are probably setting unrealistic expectations for what type of player he's going to be. I think his ceiling is someone like Nick Suzuki, who is a very good player and an important player to build around. You need more than just that though. It'd be similar to the Devils getting Hischier who helped lay the foundation for their rebuild, and then they got Hughes who helped push it over the top. The Rangers need something similar.

RE your last paragraph - I still think Laf can build on last year and be a similar player to what Matt Tkachuck is for Florida.

The team’s so bad this year I’m trying not to rush judgement on some of the young players and what this season means for them going forward .

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Why? because you don't like him? He'd be the best player on our team.

you would think you’d learn as a Rangers fan what moves scream “massive mistake” when you see them. I don’t care what he’s done is Vancouver the past few years. How long do you project Miller to be a PPG player? 2 years, 3 years at best? yet you say you care about the next 5-7 years. seems like you only care about the immediate future.

i don’t like him? multiple front offices and teams haven’t liked him. i wonder why he’s available once again despite being so amazing??

 

[zlev]

90 point 2 way player does nothing for a team that can't score and has 0 forwards who defend? Tell the Rangers to stop, we're just discussing credible rumors for a guy the team has wanted going back to 2022. It can't be helped if people dislike him on a personal level. he's also got a 5 year deal, it's not a trade for just this year.

he's not a 2 way player, he is awful defensively and always has been. and he's 32, there's a good chance he's cooked by the time this team is ready to compete again. his contract has the potential to be just has bad as Zibanejads. if you want to give up a bunch of stuff to Vancouver it has to be for Pettersson, an actual elite 2 way center. i personally have nothing against JTM at all but this is one of the worst "the grass is greener" things i've ever seen Rangers fans do. he causes problems in the locker room and with coaches wherever he goes and has never won shit.

 

[Savant]

2 proposed trades in this article. One by Drance and one by Staple.

Drance: Chytil/Schneider/Othmann and a 3rd for JT and Hoglander

Staple: Mika and Lafreniere for JT and Garland.

Id do both.

I’m not moving Schneider unless it’s incentive for Vancouver to take Mika. If that’s the case, sure. So I’d put Schneider in Staple deal instead of Lafreniere, and in Drance deal would make them take Key

 

[will1066]

I mean we aren’t that far removed from similar stories being written about MacKinnon (like his war on carbs/pasta) either. Obviously if that’s going to be your gimmick it helps a lot if you are winning cups/finalist for awards…

but if the goal is shake up the locker room/get rid of the country club atmosphere, then that’s the kind of team leadership you want to do that (rightfully or wrongfully). Everyone says we need an attitude adjustment; so it’s kind of weird to acknowledge we do and then say “not like that!”

hahaha

 

[eco's bones]

Staple is a f***ing idiot. Go back to covering the Islanders, Arthur.

I just said it in the PGT, but it's probably better for here. The MSG propaganda machine needs to stop spinning this team as if they're in the thick of the playoff race. They're the 7th worst team via points%, and it's ok to just admit this season is lost. They're the 2022-23 Calgary Flames from a vibes and performance perspective. That team kept fighting and just missed the playoffs, leading to mid-round pick and a good, but not great prospect.

Look at the u25 core of this team and what their realistic ceilings are on forward and defense. I'll include Fox because he's Adam Fox. Besides him, the rest are guys who appear to be a range of high-end support guys to good bottom-6 guys. The issue is that they're still missing the guy up front to build the team around, and that's not some quick fix that's realistically made via trade or UFA. Even if they get Hagens in the draft, I think people are probably setting unrealistic expectations for what type of player he's going to be. I think his ceiling is someone like Nick Suzuki, who is a very good player and an important player to build around. You need more than just that though. It'd be similar to the Devils getting Hischier who helped lay the foundation for their rebuild, and then they got Hughes who helped push it over the top. The Rangers need something similar.

The Rangers would have to get at least 75% of the remaining standings points just to sneak in and that ain't happening. The margins really aren't there to turn the year around....not with the confused hockey, not with the strength of the schedule remaining which will be condensed because of the Four Nations Cup, not with the injuries we're sustaining either.

Our defense is shaky---our scoring lines are inconsistent. The team is not confident and the locker room leadership isn't there. It's grasping for straws time but MSG is going to do what it's going to do just to goof us into thinking things are still good.....that's par for the course. When it's official that we're out they'll start on some other hopeful line.

 

[NYR Viper]

It better be under 4mil

I have $3.5m in my mind

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

 

[Profet]

Probably could make a dedicated thread for this, when it's confirmed

Are they going to play water polo?

How are they going to play ice hockey in Miami?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

we already all dunked on larry for this a few pages back lol

 

[McRanger92]

I have $3.5m in my mind

Deal. That's a nothing contract with a rising cap for a solid bottom 4 defenseman. Couldnt be the only move.

 

[Mac n Gs]

RE your last paragraph - I still think Laf can build on last year and be a similar player to what Matt Tkachuck is for Florida.

The team’s so bad this year I’m trying not to rush judgement on some of the young players and what this season means for them going forward .

Oh, I love Laf, despite this latest slump. Before last year, I said I think his ceiling for NHL impact is to be around Filip Forsberg, and I still believe that. Forsberg is a very, very good player, but it kind of fits with what I said about not having that guy to build the team around. It doesn't help that the other high-end support guys like Perreault and Cuylle are also wings. That's why I added in the comment about the Devils and getting Hischier to lay the foundation and then getting Hughes to help put it over the top.

I agree with you though about not rushing to judgment on the young guys. Hell, they're the only ones making this team borderline watchable on most nights.

 

[McRanger92]

you would think you’d learn as a Rangers fan what moves scream “massive mistake” when you see them. I don’t care what he’s done is Vancouver the past few years. How long do you project Miller to be a PPG player? 2 years, 3 years at best? yet you say you care about the next 5-7 years. seems like you only care about the immediate future.

i don’t like him? multiple front offices and teams haven’t liked him. i wonder why he’s available once again despite being so amazing??

For people who have been paying close attention the Vancouver situation like myself, the Canucks dont want to trade him either. They seem equally open to moving Pettersson, who is far more overpaid. The only plus on him is that he's younger. He would just be another mopey soft guy with an NMC if he came here. At least JT Miller would be a voice in the room we dont have currently. As would Brady T, who I would move mountains to get. The Rangers need more players who dont take any shit, because this team has been shoveling shit into its mouth at previously unseen levels.

 

[Mandar]

Miller is better than Schneider.

Braden Schneider has become extremely overrated around here.

Perhaps Schneider is being overrated on here. But....it no way is Miller better than him. At this time, Miller isnt better than Jones or Mancini. Has nothing to do with defense partners either (as last night's sterling play showed). You could pair Miller with 1994 playoff Leetch and he would still be crap.

 

[will1066]

 

[LOFIN]

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

For people who have been paying close attention the Vancouver situation like myself, the Canucks dont want to trade him either. They seem equally open to moving Pettersson, who is far more overpaid. The only plus on him is that he's younger. He would just be another mopey soft guy with an NMC if he came here. At least JT Miller would be a voice in the room we dont have currently. As would Brady T, who I would move mountains to get. The Rangers need more players who dont take any shit, because this team has been shoveling shit into its mouth at previously unseen levels.

The Rangers need more talent, and they need to get younger. JT would definitely be more talented than most of our current players, but how does the timeline fit? Do you think this team with JT Miller is winning a cup next season? Even if we do an “on the fly” retool, there’s a lot of moving parts here. We need to reshape our roster entirely. We need several new defenseman, we need to move/replace numerous forwards, we need a new coach, and we have a lot of massive contracts and clauses to work around. Even if we try to expedite this, it’s gonna take longer than one deadline and one offseason. By the time 2026-2027 rolls around, where we could *maybe* have retooled to a point where we have a chance at actually winning it all, Miller will be 34 by the time the playoffs start. We’ve seen multiple players fall off a cliff even before this age, right around the age 32 season, actually. We’ve seen it with Mika, Richards, Nash, Girardi, Staal, Gaborik, Drury, Gomez, could go on forever but you get the point.

There are other players who are better fits who can fill your toffness fetish too.