Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

[Ola]

the way that Nurse is discussed is really reminiscent of Trouba in a good and a bad way.

But he doesn’t got the lateral movement Trouba has. I know many disagree and my impression of Nurse could definitely be influenced too much on what I saw of him in past years on horrible teams. I know other feels different, but I still fear that he would be a bit of a glorified 3rd pairing LD in reality.

But I am definitely a bit anti-EDM. I think Larsson is underrated. But like Klefbom, when I’ve seen him play for Sweden, those nightmare years have left their mark...

 

[Irishguy42]

Still 1st.

If Carolina loses this round or the next, their pick will be 20-24. Maybe 19-23, not a lot of clarity about how the tiering works at the back end.

Pretty sure it will be the same as the regular pick allotment, only with reverse standings by PTS% than points, along with tiebreakers and whatnot. But I don't think it's been confirmed?The NHL released this article that says "Picks 16-31 will be determined by the results of the Stanley Cup Playoffs." which leads me to believe that my assumption is true (because they've been using PTS% for the rest)

Using the above: out west, it's possible for three teams higher than CAR in season standings to not make the WCF, and then in the east, four teams of higher standing to not make ECF (Pittsburgh technically higher in regular season, but is already part of the first 16 assigned draft picks). So that means the highest range is 20-24.

 

[GAGLine]

How will bonuses/incentives for Laf work? Do we need to budget for them in next year’s cap or can we punt them to the following season? I’d have to imagine he has the potential to get close to the 800K max.

the cap hit for bonus $$ can be carried over to the next year, I forget the % limit. and the max bonus he will get is $2.85 mil (based on hughes' contract from last year). but to hit that he will need to win the calder or be an allstar so if he is that good you don't mind paying.

He will get max bonuses as a 1st overall pick, which is 2.85 mil. While it's true that not all bonuses will be earned and they can roll over to the following season, there is the issue of the bonus cushion, which is 7.5%. Teams can exceed the cap by 7.5% of the cap ceiling via bonuses. We have a ton of players who have performance bonuses. Just between Laf, Shesty and Kakko, we will have 8.35 mil in bonuses. We are absolutely going to exceed the bonus cushion, which means we really don't have 81.5 mil to spend. We need to come in at least several million below that number to fit the extra bonus money.

When looking at the numbers, just count Laf as a 3.725 mil cap hit.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Is it though? There is still a big extension coming for him. Maybe we can get a prospect back from Vegas as well. I think Krebs was mentioned yesterday? Throw him in there too

Yes is beyond horrible the way it was initially constructed.

Martinez himself didn't even return a 1st on his own a few months ago. So I'd say that pick has more value than he does.

Is the current iteration of Stastny, at his full contract, even worth a 1st on his own? With retention? I'd say yes, but hes a UFA in a year.

This is before getting to DeAngelo who easily has the most value of all of the pieces by a long shot, extension or not. I wouldn't do DeAngelo alone for those 2. Adding a 1st on top of it?

A 1st and DeAngelo is like... 2/3rds of the way to getting a much younger, cheaper and BETTER player than Stastny.

 

[Thirty One]

Pretty sure it will be the same as the regular pick allotment, only with reverse standings by PTS% than points, along with tiebreakers and whatnot. But I don't think it's been confirmed?

Using the above: out west, it's possible for three teams higher than CAR in season standings to not make the WCF, and then in the east, four teams of higher standing to not make ECF (Pittsburgh technically higher in regular season, but is already part of the first 16 assigned draft picks). So that means the highest range is 20-24.

In the past it went:
Cup Winner
Cup Finalist
Conference Finalists
Division Winners
Everyone Else

My only question is who are the Division winners, or are all of the 8 teams that got to skip the play-in round in that slot. That would push Dallas ahead of Carolina's spot and make it 19-23.

That would make sense to be, but I've heard nothing about it.

 

[Ola]

Absolutely. In a deep draft you can get a real good player there maybe even someone who falls. Or it becomes an attractive trade piece as part of a package to get a C. It’s a win win

Yeah, like it wasn’t that long ago any double digit pick starting with a 3 wasn’t even an early 2nd round pick. A 1st picked up at the deadline can easily be 27-31.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Yeah, like it wasn’t that long ago any double digit pick starting with a 3 wasn’t even an early 2nd round pick. A 1st picked up at the deadline can easily be 27-31.

Agreed.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Nurse has never been good defensively, and I can just imagine what he and Trouba would do as a pairing in terms of braindead mistakes that HF explodes over. We really need someone like Lindholm who is exceptional defensively but is no slouch with the puck on his stick, not another Trouba.

 

[Baby Duck Homme]

So the Isles winning would help our draft pick right? I can’t actively root for them. I just can’t. I’ll take the better pick if they win but I can’t be happy if the score or win.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Nurse has never been good defensively, and I can just imagine what he and Trouba would do as a pairing in terms of braindead mistakes that HF explodes over. We really need someone like Lindholm who is exceptional defensively but is no slouch with the puck on his stick, not another Trouba.

Yup.

Carolina pick and a roster player (Chytil or Buchnevich) is going to be used here to make this happen.

I have spoken.

GAS out.

 

[Irishguy42]

In the past it went:
Cup Winner
Cup Finalist
Conference Finalists
Division Winners
Everyone Else

My only question is who are the Division winners, or are all of the 8 teams that got to skip the play-in round in that slot. That would push Dallas ahead of Carolina's spot and make it 19-23.

That would make sense to be, but I've heard nothing about it.

My edit probably went through after you pulled up my reply.

NHL lists here what the picks will be: No. 1 pick in 2020 NHL Draft Lottery to be awarded by Second Phase
Picks 4-8 were determined after the First Phase based on inverse order of regular-season points percentage.
Picks No. 9-15 will be assigned to the other seven teams that lost a qualifier series, in inverse order of their points percentage.
Picks 16-31 will be determined by the results of the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

So it reads like they're taking out the division winners aspect for this year.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Yup.

Carolina pick and a roster player (Chytil or Buchnevich) is going to be used here to make this happen.

I have spoken.

GAS out.

Would overpay to get them to retain.

 

[NYSPORTS]

So the Isles winning would help our draft pick right? I can’t actively root for them. I just can’t. I’ll take the better pick if they win but I can’t be happy if the score or win.

i can’t either. Big picture though, so long as they don’t reach the finals they’re losers after what happened the other night.

 

[Thirty One]

My edit probably went through after you pulled up my reply.

NHL lists here what the picks will be: No. 1 pick in 2020 NHL Draft Lottery to be awarded by Second Phase
Picks 4-8 were determined after the First Phase based on inverse order of regular-season points percentage.
Picks No. 9-15 will be assigned to the other seven teams that lost a qualifier series, in inverse order of their points percentage.
Picks 16-31 will be determined by the results of the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

So it reads like they're taking out the division winners part for this year.

Could they come up with anything less descriptive than "will be determined by the results of the Stanley Cup Playoffs"?

I'll just assume it's 20-24 and be pleasantly surprised if they slide it back one.

 

[rangerfan_79]

Unless a trade for a center presents itself or another player in the system takes the next step I would consider Alexis Lafreniere transitioning to playing center.

Watching quite a bit of footage it appears he very defensively responsible and think he could make the transition to playing center.

 

[mas0764]

Lundell could crack the top 10. I've seen plenty of mocks having him go at 11.

Lundell could very well be out of reach. He's just a potential option if he slides. It's possible.

 

[Irishguy42]

Could they come up with anything less descriptive than "will be determined by the results of the Stanley Cup Playoffs"?

I'll just assume it's 20-24 and be pleasantly surprised if they slide it back one.

This is the NHL, so.....yes?

Otherwise, yeah it's too minor to worry about 19-23 vs 20-24 is whatever.

 

[Edge]

@Edge Do you really believe Elias Lindholm (need to specify) would be available? He seems like the type of guy they would want to keep in Calgary.

Don't know. Calgary seems like they might want to shake things up and if they called me, that's who I'd be asking about.

Beyond that, I don't have much.

 

[Thirty One]

This is the NHL, so.....yes?

Otherwise, yeah it's too minor to worry about

Picks 16-31 will follow picks 9-15.

 

[Edge]

See this is the problem I have with finding a suitable trade for Tony.

If I was running another team I wouldn't trade a top pairing LD and a top 15 pick for Tony. But maybe I'm just undervaluing him

Personally, I think we under-value him as a board.

The production level he's hitting is rarified air.

 

[Kovalev27]

Honestly I don't have a great feel for how good Nurse is/how he's viewed but he's a big LD who skates well etc and would probably solidify that left side quite a bit and those guys are sometimes overvalued. That said you can't ignore DeAngelo's points, and is Nurse just kind of Skjei 2.0?

imo KAndre Miller can be that guy if not better within a year. I think KAndre makes this team right out the gate.

 

[kovazub94]

I might be getting too dense with prolonged staying / working from home but I'm very confused why the Rangers need to immediately look for a trade for 2C if by the start of next season they already would have well above average strength on a wing, #1C in Zibanejad, Chytil - who only will be turning 21 later this year (and so perfectly matched age wise with Kakko and AL) and short term rights while still RFA - Strome who has proven chemistry with Panarin and could be 2C or 3C based on how quickly Chytil continue to develop?

 

[Bluto]

I've long been on the don't trade DeAngelo bandwagon.
That said, there are a few situations where I would be open to trading him.
DeAngelo by himself should return a Yandle-esq return. He almost averaged a PPG as a 24 year old. All of these proposals of NYR adding a first is ludicrous.
His value is sky high.
The question is: who is willing to pay it?
For a straight hockey trade, a center needs to be coming back. I'm not too worried about the LD because we have a lot in the pipeline in Jones, Miller, Hajek, and Reunanen. Losing Staal and Smith will be addition by subtraction.
The only LD I'd have interest in trading for would probably be Hanifin though I'm not a huge fan of his. And Calgary adds.
The only one that really makes sense is Domi.

But I'm in the boat of staying put and seeing what happens next year with the whole group before we make any big trades.

 

[Edge]

If the deal was ADA for Nurse + 14th I would 100% take it. They'd be getting a very different type of d-man in Nurse but he's almost exactly what they need on the left side.

My caution for the board is similar to my caution when discussing Trouba.

He's going to bring a lot, but he might not quite be the defenseman members of this board hope they're getting.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Yup.

Carolina pick and a roster player (Chytil or Buchnevich) is going to be used here to make this happen.

I have spoken.

GAS out.

Would overpay to get them to retain.