Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

[True Blue]

Next off-season guys like Shattenkirk, Smith and Staal all only have a year left and are more easily moveable.

1) They would only be easily moveable if their play dictated that someone would desire such performances.
2) There would still need to be retention as I cannot see them improving their play to the level of their salary.
3) I actually think that Stall plays out his entire contract and is not going anywhere.

 

[True Blue]

The Rangers need to address the blue line. In fact, it should be the primary focus from now until opening night. The stars are aligning elsewhere, but the defense remains a toxic dump.

And so it shall remain for this year. Let's face it, the likely scenario is that Smith is playing the 12th forward/7th defenseman role and Shattenkirk starts majority of games. Gorton and Quinn are going to see if they can get those two to play to a level at which they become tradeable, which they are currently good.

Staal, I believe plays out his career here. I do think that much like with Henke, a conversation can be had regarding just how many games he plays. He can be an influence on the kids and a good example and still only dress for half the games.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Why would anyone want Duchene on the Rangers? $9.5M for the next 7 years.

Columbus is interested in keeping Duchene but they don’t want to pay him $9.5M or more.

Columbus offered Panarin and Bobrovsky 8 years and $72M. The offer has been there since last summer.

Aaron Portzline wrote about this a few days ago. One NHL executive told The Athletic that he expects Duchene to get more than Skinner.

In understand your point and I tend to agree with it. But the idea put forth was adding Duchene AND whatever you get back in a trade for Zib.

 

[TheTakedown]

11 million cap hit for a guy with one ankle. You deserve everything you got coming to you Sharks.

No reason not to extend him. He fit that team well and it took a lot of pressure off Burns. The guy will never be as good as he was in his prime, but he'll be about 85% of that for the next several years while the Sharks players are in their Primes...

Couture and Kane locked up for 6+ more years
Pavelski probably takes a 3 year Jumbo Joe deals
Jumbo probably comes back on a 1 year deal
Nyquist on a 2-3 year deal--he fit that team well
Lebanc probably gets a 6-8 year deal at good guaranteed money for his age -- the guy is a beast

That's a forward good core right there.

Their defense will be anchored by:
a generational talent (Karlsson)
a superstar (Burns)
a stable, steady shutdown Dman (Vlasic)

That's the makings of a good team, who is coming off a WCF trip. It's not time for them to rip it apart just yet

 

[Mikos87]

Isn't Niskanen a good defenseman? Why would the Caps do this? Just cap space?




This move makes too much sense. Miller could then be used to move elsewhere, there were rumors both Toronto and Winnipeg may have been interested before.

Cap space for Washington. They need to have 5 more forwards under contract and have ~$13M with not much coming up from the farm. That includes guys in their top 6.

 

[NYR Viper]

SJ also is the team most aware of what Karlsson was going through as far as his injury this season. If they aren't scared off by that and are offering an 8 year deal it's because their doctors have done their due diligence

 

[RGY]

Im scared for Caps games now, we have like 5 players under 21 who definitely do not need to start their careers with concussions.

Gudas is a clown. He is getting slower by the year. Really not too worried about him.

And if anything we have Lemieux to savagely send out

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

And so it shall remain for this year. Let's face it, the likely scenario is that Smith is playing the 12th forward/7th defenseman role and Shattenkirk starts majority of games. Gorton and Quinn are going to see if they can get those two to play to a level at which they become tradeable, which they are currently good.

Staal, I believe plays out his career here. I do think that much like with Henke, a conversation can be had regarding just how many games he plays. He can be an influence on the kids and a good example and still only dress for half the games.

I thought Staal wasn't too abysmal last season. The organization loves him. The Smith and Shattenkirk signings are the #1 and 2 black marks on Gorton's resume. I think he's handled pretty much everything else superbly. But now his focus must be jettisoning the dead weight he signed.

 

[Off Sides]

I like it for Washington. 1 year of Gudus with some retention versus 2 years of a possible declining Niskanen.

 

[GAGLine]

1) They would only be easily moveable if their play dictated that someone would desire such performances.
2) There would still need to be retention as I cannot see them improving their play to the level of their salary.
3) I actually think that Stall plays out his entire contract and is not going anywhere.

I agree with #3 because of his NMC, but all 3 dmen have signing bonuses next summer and make less than their cap hit in base salary. Shattenkirk will only make 2 mil in base salary against a cap hit of 6.65 mil. That will be attractive for cap floor teams. For teams that care about the cap hit, it's only one year and we can easily retain. Maybe there won't be any takers for any of those contracst, but I don't think that's a given. Worst case scenario, one or more can be bought out or demoted.

 

[Raspewtin]

Man ME Vlasic has to have one of the worst contracts in the league rn

 

[True Blue]

I agree with #3 because of his NMC, but all 3 dmen have signing bonuses next summer and make less than their cap hit in base salary. Shattenkirk will only make 2 mil in base salary against a cap hit of 6.65 mil. That will be attractive for cap floor teams. For teams that care about the cap hit, it's only one year and we can easily retain. Maybe there won't be any takers for any of those contracst, but I don't think that's a given. Worst case scenario, one or more can be bought out or demoted.

Sure. But I fear that you will see a lot of them this year. In Smith's case, if it is as a 12th forward/7th defenseman, I do not mind. If Staal's time can be cut down, I do not mind. Shattenkirk? Get ready to see a lot of him in an effort to see if he can get value.

 

[RangerBoy]

Brady Skjei to the Vancouver Canucks for the 10th pick overall.

 

[Thirty One]

1) They would only be easily moveable if their play dictated that someone would desire such performances.
2) There would still need to be retention as I cannot see them improving their play to the level of their salary.
3) I actually think that Stall plays out his entire contract and is not going anywhere.

If they maintain the same performance level their negative value would obviously diminish with one less year on their contracts.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Brady Skjei to the Vancouver Canucks for the 10th pick overall.

The only thing this entire boards agrees on is that we need to improve our D core, and your solution is trading our best Dman for Trevor Zegras (who i love very much). What then? Sign Gardiner for a more expensive deal than Skjei for lesser play?

 

[RangerBoy]

In understand your point and I tend to agree with it. But the idea put forth was adding Duchene AND whatever you get back in a trade for Zib.

The Rangers would still be stuck with Duchene at some crazy number. It’s not worth the aggravation.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

And so it shall remain for this year. Let's face it, the likely scenario is that Smith is playing the 12th forward/7th defenseman role and Shattenkirk starts majority of games. Gorton and Quinn are going to see if they can get those two to play to a level at which they become tradeable, which they are currently good.

Staal, I believe plays out his career here. I do think that much like with Henke, a conversation can be had regarding just how many games he plays. He can be an influence on the kids and a good example and still only dress for half the games.

Depending on market opportunities I believe JG will take a staggered approach to overhaul the D in the next 2 years:
Now: Dump Smith
Deadline or next off season: move Shatty
20-21: Staal plays out contract or goes LTIR his last year

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

The Rangers would still be stuck with Duchene at some crazy number. It’s not worth the aggravation.

It would also create the same hole the Rangers already have...

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I think the rebuild ends next offseason. We may ir may not be a bubble team this year but the following summer we will be applying the finishing touches to the D core and our kids will be rounding out. 2020-2021 will be our first competitive year. Survive the expansion, and then out the starting gate we go. Our true window opens in 2021.

 

[NYR Viper]

The only thing this entire boards agrees on is that we need to improve our D core, and your solution is trading our best Dman for Trevor Zegras (who i love very much). What then? Sign Gardiner for a more expensive deal than Skjei for lesser play?

Let the young guys play, sign a stop-gap or two. It's not the worst idea as the defense is going to be bad anyways.

 

[True Blue]

Depending on market opportunities I believe JG will take a staggered approach to overhaul the D in the next 2 years:
Now: Dump Smith
Deadline or next off season: move Shatty
20-21: Staal plays out contract or goes LTIR his last year

To be moveable, Shattenkirk has to greatly elevate his level of play. Even with only a year left on his contract.

As for Smith, I do not understand the need for him to go. Whats't he rush if he is starting on the 4th line? Who do you want to play 4th line minutes instead? That is what he was last year. I see little reason why he would suddenly vault into the starting defenseman role. Why needlessly deprive yourself of cap space?

 

[McRanger]

I like it for Washington. 1 year of Gudus with some retention versus 2 years of a possible declining Niskanen.

I didn't realize Niskanen was already turning 33 this season. The Niskanen-Neal trade doesn't feel that long ago, but yikes it was 8 years.

 

[Avery16]

Moar trades

 

[Raspewtin]

Brady Skjei to the Vancouver Canucks for the 10th pick overall.

I would adore this move

Maybe try to snag Virtanen too at a buy low

 

[East Coast Bias]

The only thing this entire boards agrees on is that we need to improve our D core, and your solution is trading our best Dman for Trevor Zegras (who i love very much). What then? Sign Gardiner for a more expensive deal than Skjei for lesser play?

ELC > all

Dude just doesn't like anyone who is paid more than league minimum.

Everyone is overpaid. Every contract is an albatross.