Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
  • We're expecting server maintenance on March 3rd starting at midnight, there may be downtime during the work.
Status
Not open for further replies.
I think Gorton has shown thus far that he isn't willing to overpay for players. Maybe Kovalchuk was never really on his radar, but there was no way he was going to give him 3 years, as LA did. And Shattenkirk wouldn't have been signed if he had wanted 6/7 years and an NMC. Sather seems like a guy who was going to get his player no matter the cost. Gorton seems more willing to go to plans B, C or D if the cost of plan A is prohibitive.

Given the likely cost of Trouba both in terms of assets and cap/term, I don't think Gorton will pay it. My guess is he looks for a short term solution a la McQuaid and then circles back to Trouba next summer if he hits free agency.
 
I think Gorton has shown thus far that he isn't willing to overpay for players. Maybe Kovalchuk was never really on his radar, but there was no way he was going to give him 3 years, as LA did. And Shattenkirk wouldn't have been signed if he had wanted 6/7 years and an NMC. Sather seems like a guy who was going to get his player no matter the cost. Gorton seems more willing to go to plans B, C or D if the cost of plan A is prohibitive.

Given the likely cost of Trouba both in terms of assets and cap/term, I don't think Gorton will pay it. My guess is he looks for a short term solution a la McQuaid and then circles back to Trouba next summer if he hits free agency.
I think with Gorton there are two types of players - Players he will pay because he really wants, and Players he won't unless they come at his price.

Adam Fox was a guy he really wanted, so he paid up for him. Shattenkirk came on the Rangers terms.
 
Given the likely cost of Trouba both in terms of assets and cap/term, I don't think Gorton will pay it. My guess is he looks for a short term solution a la McQuaid and then circles back to Trouba next summer if he hits free agency.
I don't see Gorts signing him as an FA either...he will want too much for too long.
 
Wouldn't any Trouba extension come without any trade/no movement clause for the 1st year of it, as it's an RFA year?

If there is no trade protection in the 1st year of any extension, how can he guarantee the team who trades for him, and extends him, does not turn around and trade him before any pending clause can activate?
 
Last edited:
Avs fan here.. looks like we will miss out on Hayes this year. Not a lot out there in FA to pick up a 2c without some kind of trade. Soooo with the 4OA and a prospect (jost/ Kaut) would that get a deal with zibs? He fits what we need. Kaut was our 1st round pick last year and looked good in Jrs.
Rangers future looks damn good and 2 picks in the top 4 would kick start a rebuild. Kakko/byrum. That alone makes me drool.
 
Avs fan here.. looks like we will miss out on Hayes this year. Not a lot out there in FA to pick up a 2c without some kind of trade. Soooo with the 4OA and a prospect (jost/ Kaut) would that get a deal with zibs? He fits what we need. Kaut was our 1st round pick last year and looked good in Jrs.
Rangers future looks damn good and 2 picks in the top 4 would kick start a rebuild. Kakko/byrum. That alone makes me drool.

The Rangers just don't have the center depth to do it.
 
I don't see Gorts signing him as an FA either...he will want too much for too long.

Possibly. It's also possible that Trouba never makes it to free agency, or that Gorton executes plan B, C or D and that eliminates the need for Trouba.

I think Gorton is going to be wheeling and dealing this summer and I think we are going to be surprised by some of the moves he makes. That's not to say that I think he will go big game hunting, necessarily, but I think he will be very aggressive in trying to take advantage of certain situations around the league. There are a lot of teams facing cap crunches and there are lottery teams who need to take the next step.
 
  • Like
Reactions: bobbop
Avs fan here.. looks like we will miss out on Hayes this year. Not a lot out there in FA to pick up a 2c without some kind of trade. Soooo with the 4OA and a prospect (jost/ Kaut) would that get a deal with zibs? He fits what we need. Kaut was our 1st round pick last year and looked good in Jrs.
Rangers future looks damn good and 2 picks in the top 4 would kick start a rebuild. Kakko/byrum. That alone makes me drool.

It sounds great but I don’t think the Rangers would fare that well. Can’t just sell every piece who isn’t on an ELC. The rebuild would take that much longer and in a city like New York, I don’t think that would be totally realistic.
 
  • Like
Reactions: wafflepadsave
Avs fan here.. looks like we will miss out on Hayes this year. Not a lot out there in FA to pick up a 2c without some kind of trade. Soooo with the 4OA and a prospect (jost/ Kaut) would that get a deal with zibs? He fits what we need. Kaut was our 1st round pick last year and looked good in Jrs.
Rangers future looks damn good and 2 picks in the top 4 would kick start a rebuild. Kakko/byrum. That alone makes me drool.

It would take an offer that is simply too generous to pass up. The 4th overall and a prospect isn't that.

Zibanejad is the best player on the team by a mile and could very well be the next captain. He's not getting moved for anything less than a major overpayment.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jas
I'm less than thrilled with acquiring Trouba ad then handing him a long term UFA-type contract. Not right now. Now if he were to give a discount long-term that's another story but if he's looking for $8m per season I'd pass on also trading for him. If he were a UFA, I'd be fine with it.

Acquire a bad contract or two. Move out a couple of fillers (Namestnikov, Vesey) and put feelers out for both Smith and Shattenkirk
 
  • Like
Reactions: Trxjw
Avs fan here.. looks like we will miss out on Hayes this year. Not a lot out there in FA to pick up a 2c without some kind of trade. Soooo with the 4OA and a prospect (jost/ Kaut) would that get a deal with zibs? He fits what we need. Kaut was our 1st round pick last year and looked good in Jrs.
Rangers future looks damn good and 2 picks in the top 4 would kick start a rebuild. Kakko/byrum. That alone makes me drool.

It would be tempting for sure, but we don't have the center depth, as brians1128 said. We need Zib as an anchor for the offense, especially if we end up trading Kreider. If we were to trade Zib for futures, we'd be almost forced to re-sign Kreider just so we have some experience in our top 6. We don't want an Edmonton situation where we are depending on kids to lead the team.
 
  • Like
Reactions: brians1128
Avs fan here.. looks like we will miss out on Hayes this year. Not a lot out there in FA to pick up a 2c without some kind of trade. Soooo with the 4OA and a prospect (jost/ Kaut) would that get a deal with zibs? He fits what we need. Kaut was our 1st round pick last year and looked good in Jrs.
Rangers future looks damn good and 2 picks in the top 4 would kick start a rebuild. Kakko/byrum. That alone makes me drool.
This would be a fair deal, but we just can’t afford to do it. Maybe if the Devils take Kakko and we get Hughes we could survive without a 1C for a year before Jack develops a bit more, but its unlikely.
 
My main issue with Trouba is the ROI. He's very likely at peak value right now. It's hard to see him regularly beating his performance from last year; especially when you consider he's going from a top team in the league to one of the worst. So you trade for him and give him a major contract but you'll never see him out perform that cost. To me the Rangers need to be looking for unrealized gain in the places other teams aren't looking.

I still keep circling back to Ristolainen. I think he's a gem just waiting for some polish.
 
  • Like
Reactions: egelband
My main issue with Trouba is the ROI. He's very likely at peak value right now. It's hard to see him regularly beating his performance from last year; especially when you consider he's going from a top team in the league to one of the worst. So you trade for him and give him a major contract but you'll never see him out perform that cost. To me the Rangers need to be looking for unrealized gain in the places other teams aren't looking.

I still keep circling back to Ristolainen. I think he's a gem just waiting for some polish.

can risto play defense at all?
 
I have zero concerns about the contract that trouba will demand...its the cost to trade for him that is the issue.
 
I don't see Trouba signing any long term extension until he can have a clause in effect at the time of signing it.

Nor do I see a team trading a ton for him without a predetermined extension in place.

I don't think he can officially sign an extension until July 1st, after the draft.

I don't think he'd have any trade clauses in effect until he was on the roster for 40 more regular season game days as he still needs to accrue one more NHL season to be classified as a UFA, and only UFA status players can have trade protection.

Even if that was not the plan from the get go, if some team trades and signs him, then gets a trade offer for him that blows them away, I don't think they are under any CBA obligation to not make that trade.

And upon that 2nd trade, I do not believe the trading team is under any CBA obligation to keep any pending clauses within that extension.

For a player who seems intent on choosing his location, if correct, that would be a pretty big risk. I assume he could get promises not to be traded before hand, yet I'm not so sure they can be official promises.

Which brings up if that is "karma" correct? I don't know, Trouba is using the leverage the CBA grants him, I'm not so sure why teams are not "karma" allowed to do so too?
 
Three things: I wouldn’t count on us pulling a Talbot or a Raanta out of thin air this season. Just because we have in the past doesn’t mean we can at the drop of a hat. Two- don’t be shocked when Georgiev starts for a team some season. Another, if not ours. Three- no one in our system has shown the promise that Georgiev has. Maybe Shesty is better. But outside of him- Huska, Wall, Lindbom, nothing. Not yet. And that’s it.

I mean, all those things are reasonable to believe for sure. But first, I don't really care what happens this season. If we are the worst team in the league because we aren't able to manufacture a quality platoon goalie, that's fine with me. Second, I agree, I wouldn't be shocked if Georgiev ends up as a Raanta or Talbot level goalie and starts for someone eventually. Third, but Georgiev didn't show the promise he had until he basically did it here in the pros. He was not some high end prospect we were all counting on. He developed from similar or worse pedigree to the guys we have in the pipeline now. Allaire has a track record of getting these guys able to contribute in the pros.

Whether it is wise or not, Lundqvist will continue to at least get split starts with some goalie here for the foreseeable future. There is no goalie in the next season or two who is going to relegate Hank to permanent backup. That means there is at least that 2 year window or so for the organization to develop another high-end backup/low-end starter caliber goalie from our prospect pool before we'd feel any real loss. That's especially true when you take into consideration that if we DID feel the sting from having traded Georgiev, it only improves our draft positioning anyway.

If, in two years, Shestyorkin hasn't become a solid starter or better, or alternatively, if Wall, Huska or Lindbom hasn't developed into a near-peer of Georgiev, that is when we'd really be missing having him. So that's the real "risk" of trading him. That in two years, we're missing a low end replacement level starting goalie. Not a big risk -especially when you consider the pretty decent likelihood (in comparison to other clubs) that one of our prospects pans out.

You also have to weigh that risk of loss with what you're getting back -- which, again, I'm not saying trade him for peanuts. -- but if you include him in a package gets you a valuable asset, like one of the forwards you covet in this draft, then you are probably still coming out way ahead. Mid or low level starting goalie, or securing a top 6 center? Seems like a no brainer.

Keep in mind the hypothetical I was addressing was a package of Kreider and Georgiev to include a return of the 8th overall pick, which I would assume we would do if Zegras, Cozens, or another top center we like was still on the board. If we're getting a guy like that, I'm not really worried about how I will replace Georgiev's 30-40 starts for the coming years. It will either be Shestyorkin, Wall, Huska, Lindbom (all of who I feel good about), or, I'll go find someone else. Give me that top center!

If we are shopping Georgiev and someone only offers us a second rounder, well, that's another story. Don't move him just to move him.

Not yet at least. The time may come if Shestyorkin explodes that we may have to move Georgiev just to free up room for Prince Igor.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Wind Waker
SJ saving us from ourselves.

I don't think there was any real chance that we would sign him, but if he goes back to SJ, then maybe Shattenkirk becomes a more attractive option for some teams. Tampa is looking for defense and tried to trade for Shattenkirk before he went to Washington. Given their cap situation, maybe they like him at half price for 2 years.
 
can risto play defense at all?

Short answer? He's been lousy defensively in the NHL.

Longer answer is that the ability is definitely there. He was lauded for his hockey sense and two way ability when he was coming up. I think that with a fresh start and a role where he can focus less on being the offensive catalyst could do wonders for him. It's a gamble but one that could pay off big time.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad