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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVI

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It feels counterintuitive to trade Buchnevich at this point. Left wing and Right D are flush. Kakko looked good in a few games against Carolina but that's a far cry from stepping into the 1st line just yet. Kratsov isn't a regular yet, let alone a top 6 guy yet. That 1st line works, I just have a hard time seeing Gorton mess with that when contending seems to be high on the agenda.

I suspect center is less of an issue for Gorton than it is for fans. Considering the flat cap and the chemistry of the top two lines, they are probably content to go into the season with Zibanejad, Strome, Chytil and Howden down the middle.

I get that they want to change the team to adapt to their most recent loss, but they have so many unknowns with the roster. Do they know that we won't be difficult to play against when these recent picks hit their stride?

The elephant in the room is the important question. If Lundqvist and Staal hang it up, there are many options. If not, well maybe they should let this group grow a little bit and the staff can gather information.
 
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Trxjw said:
I would imagine you're right about Lundkvist.
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Yeah and I think I'd still do it but it is a lot.

Cirelli is really, really good though. Massive upgrade on Strome.

Get me Lindholm or Ekholm, a 4th line C and another middle six body with some size and bite who doesn't suck and we're making a run next year.

... Provided that Hank retires and Staal is bought out/LTIR'd via shady business/follows suit and also retires.
 
I don't think Cirelli is a viable option.
His play style, position, immediate impact and likelihood of a reasonable bridge make it so that Tampa would find a taker for Killorn/Johnson with Cernak as the sweetener before they would let Cirelli go for B+ prospects.
 
Mikos87 said:
Great thank you, and yes I agree.

That was a soft showing. Might as well have wore baker's hats instead of helmets. Looked like a group that was out there trying to push out as many pastry puffs as they could given how many delicate little turnovers being produced.

They got swept out so early that you might as well brand it as a school yard trip for the kids where they learned what it takes to see how a motivated and well prepared team that plays together came out to play via a first person experience.

That being said, what more could you ask for:



Absolutely loved that video. When you are concerned about your number 1 overall pick being a guy who is overly physical, and may get suspended throughout his career. I mean... that's a franchise player. That's the type of franchise player the whole fan base can get around.
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I'm going to hate my self for saying this, but he's got a little bit of another guy who wore #11 in him.
 
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GoAwayStaal said:
Yeah and I think I'd still do it but it is a lot.

Cirelli is really, really good though. Massive upgrade on Strome.

Get me Lindholm or Ekholm, a 4th line C and another middle six body with some size and bite who doesn't suck and we're making a run next year.

... Provided that Hank retires and Staal is bought out/LTIR'd via shady business/follows suit and also retires.
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It would really depend on what Cirelli was willing to sign for. If you could get him for an extended deal on favorable terms then maybe I'd go for it, but if he wants a bridge contract that could be another one that gets hard to manage down the road. As much as I would love to have him in the fold, I think Nils is going to be an important piece of this team.

Honestly, I would just re-up Strome to a two year deal and roll with him. He's far from ideal, but at least we know he produces with Panarin and it buys us more time to see if Chytil has the goods to be a center. If he doesn't then worst case is we have to explore the trade market down the road.

LD is the important addition to me this off-season. We just can't go into it next season with what we ended it with. It's just too much of a mess. Hopefully Staal retires but we still need someone to step in there.
 
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Roo Returns said:
As I said in the draft thread go after Sheary. He's a Cup winner with speed who isn't ancient. He'll help.

I've loved Nieto since draft year. He's going to most likely go deep and potentially a WCF or SCF if all things go well. Bottom 6ers with speed who is a zillion times better than McKeg.

Girgensons is a good reclamation project.
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Sheary is a shaky motor. Looks great next to Sid, but he's not a guy that I would go after. Nieto is a good choice- he would be a very good bottom 6 player. Just a winger though, but he's a good good player who knows his role.

Girgensons is a guy who ends up in Columbus imo. He has Blue Jacket written all over him. A good 4th line guy who isn't necessarily a 82 game player, but a good player in the right system. Don't think the Rangers play that way and he doesn't have the puck skills that is suited to play a more free flowing system.
 
I’d keep building up slowly and not force too many moves. Would love to add Cirelli, he’d be an ideal pick up imo. Before this whole COVID thing I thought he’d be a great offer sheet target for the summer. Would hate to lose Lundqvist in the deal though, much rather dip into the older assets we need to resign, Buch, Ada, Strome are all expendable.
 
Trxjw said:
It would really depend on what Cirelli was willing to sign for. If you could get him for an extended deal on favorable terms then maybe I'd go for it, but if he wants a bridge contract that could be another one that gets hard to manage down the road. As much as I would love to have him in the fold, I think Nils is going to be an important piece of this team.

Honestly, I would just re-up Strome to a two year deal and roll with him. He's far from ideal, but at least we know he produces with Panarin and it buys us more time to see if Chytil has the goods to be a center. If he doesn't then worst case is we have to explore the trade market down the road.

LD is the important addition to me this off-season. We just can't go into it next season with what we ended it with. It's just too much of a mess. Hopefully Staal retires but we still need someone to step in there.
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I'm right there with you on this. If we can only upgrade 1 of LD or 2C this offseason, it is a much better idea to upgrade LD, for all the reasons you outlined.
 
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The last thing we need is another winger*. This gives us a lot of wiggle room to make other moves at least. Really do wish we traded Kreider instead of extending him.

Buchnevich is likely a goner, which is sad to say
 
Trxjw said:
I believe it was the comment about how the way we lost might mean some changes are needed. They want to get harder to play against. There are only so many spots available and Buch is probably the most realistic player to be traded who still has quality value.
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They just got harder to play against.
 
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JT Kreider said:
The last thing we need is another winger*. This gives us a lot of wiggle room to make other moves at least. Really do wish we traded Kreider instead of extending him.

Buchnevich is likely a goner, which is sad to say
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It’s kinda hard not to take an improvement at 2nd C for say a Buch/Strome package

Can Laf play RW? Too many kids w Kakko o that’s side ?
 
GoAwayStaal said:
Yeah and I think I'd still do it but it is a lot.

Cirelli is really, really good though. Massive upgrade on Strome.

Get me Lindholm or Ekholm, a 4th line C and another middle six body with some size and bite who doesn't suck and we're making a run next year.

... Provided that Hank retires and Staal is bought out/LTIR'd via shady business/follows suit and also retires.
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Ekholm and Bonino are perfect

Ekholm Trouba 'matchup pair' and Bonino for 'matchup/PK/defensive duties'

Cirelli would cost Chytil ++ or ADA.
 
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JT Kreider said:
The last thing we need is another winger*. This gives us a lot of wiggle room to make other moves at least. Really do wish we traded Kreider instead of extending him.

Buchnevich is likely a goner, which is sad to say
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Imagine if it was Jost that came back and all of the "hey lets convert him to Center" debates we'd be having.

I like Buch but its time. Not every player can stay. That goes for every championship run. Even the Yankees when they won all those titles let Mike Lowell go.

Buch had a chance to break out during the post season and didn't. He's a young veteran and he may improve but this team has other needs.

A big part of every run is having guys who hate to lose and will run through players. Buch did that a little but he's part of the later AV crew. Need to start getting away from as many of those guys as possible and rebuild the culture.
 
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JT Kreider said:
The last thing we need is another winger*. This gives us a lot of wiggle room to make other moves at least. Really do wish we traded Kreider instead of extending him.

Buchnevich is likely a goner, which is sad to say
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I'm a firm believer that you can always get great value for talent, even if you have an over-abundance in one position.

Unless he falls off a cliff, Kreider will be tradable if it comes to that.

He could also be a solid fit if he does indeed slow down on the back-end of this contract. He'd be over-priced for a third line LW, but it's not like the role would be a square peg in a round hole either.
 
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