Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVI

[GoAwayPanarin]

If we assume the next two years are going to be meh, think about it this way instead

Would you sign a 29/30 year old Panarin to a 5 year deal at 11 per?

What else have we accumulated in the time being?

 

[geno2727]

Just curious to see what the appetite here is for Jesse Puljujärvi / what NYR could give up to get him.

Didn't watch him play much this past year, but think he'd be the right kind of gamble (young / hasn't put the pieces together) AND might help KK adjust as a fellow young fin in the locker room.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Just curious to see what the appetite here is for Jesse Puljujärvi / what NYR could give up to get him.

Didn't watch him play much this past year, but think he'd be the right kind of gamble (young / hasn't put the pieces together) AND might help KK adjust as a fellow young fin in the locker room.

Kakko doesn't need Puljujarvi. And I wouldn't give up anything more than Vesey for JP

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Just curious to see what the appetite here is for Jesse Puljujärvi / what NYR could give up to get him.

Didn't watch him play much this past year, but think he'd be the right kind of gamble (young / hasn't put the pieces together) AND might help KK adjust as a fellow young fin in the locker room.

Jimmy Vesey or Neal Pionk.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Just curious to see what the appetite here is for Jesse Puljujärvi / what NYR could give up to get him.

Didn't watch him play much this past year, but think he'd be the right kind of gamble (young / hasn't put the pieces together) AND might help KK adjust as a fellow young fin in the locker room.

Not much, I’d take a flier on him for like a 3rd or someone like Vesey, but I don’t have much faith in him to pay more than that

 

[effen]

25 teams would take a flier on JP for a 3rd rounder or equivalent. someone will drop a 2nd rounder because YOLO

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

25 teams would take a flier on JP for a 3rd rounder or equivalent. someone will drop a 2nd rounder because YOLO

This made me look up the Yakupov trade, he got a conditional 3rd that became a 2nd if he scored 15 goals for the Blues (he had 9 points in 40 games)

 

[Cag29]

Which was my point all along

Well hopefully we will get a player like that soon.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Well hopefully we will get a player like that soon.

K'Andre.

 

[Irishguy42]

First buyout window opens on Saturday.

 

[broadwayblue]

First buyout window opens on Saturday.

No need for us to be buying anyone out this summer.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

What else have we accumulated in the time being?

We are not getting panarin for 11m per anymore after the skinner contract. He will command 12-13 aav now. I'm not spending more money on panarin than the best player in hockey McDavid. That contract will put us in cap hell. Can we stop being the rangers of old. Let panarin go.

Let our bad contracts just run out or next year when there is 1 year left on Smith shatty Staal we can trade them with retention. Instead let's use our cap space wisely since we are not going anywhere for another 2 years or so. Sign players like Simmonds, Ennis, panik and so on for cheap since 2 of the 3 made less than 2m, and Simmonds made 3m. Sign them to a 1 year deal each and at the deadline they can be assets that we trade to get draft capital. Keep building from within and use the capital we get to move up high in the draft to get our own potential stars. And we can then if we want to use the cap space we can go after Taylor hall.

 

[bobbop]

I think we’re seeing both sides of the argument and a correlation between spending on FAs and the presumptive timeline of when they think this team will be competitive enough to make a run.
It’s understandable to shy away from spending on a FA if you think the timeframe of this rebuild, retooling, whatever you call it will take another 5-10 years.
Personally, I don’t think it will take that long at all. I think folks around the league are going to be surprised at how quickly this franchise as a whole has been rebuilt.
After watching other teams in the playoffs last season and currently it wouldn’t surprise me if the Rangers make a push for the playoffs within two seasons. And I think once the defense is established they will take off and once they are in the playoffs they will be there for years to come.
Having said that, I’d go after Panarin and stay away from Karlsson. I’m all in favor of moving Kreider, 20OA to move up and I’m not in favor of buying out contracts just for the sake of buying them out... buying them out, retaining, whatever because younger players are earning those spots is a different matter.

One of the better posts I’ve seen here in a while.

 

[Thirty One]

First buyout window opens on Saturday.

Please no one tell the Rangers.

 

[tradenashnow]

It's not 1989 anymore

That's what AV thought which is why he completely ruined the defense of this team. All the team had was a bunch of small, wimpy defenseman who couldn't clear the crease. Skjei only got his game back when they brought in McQuaid and played with him. Last time I checked Boston was still relying heavily on Chara who moves like an anvil on the ice. Sadly, a good amount of our fan base is still brainwashed by the moronic thinking of AV that physical, stay at home defenseman who know how to keep the puck out their own net don't matter.

 

[Ola]

Just curious to see what the appetite here is for Jesse Puljujärvi / what NYR could give up to get him.

Didn't watch him play much this past year, but think he'd be the right kind of gamble (young / hasn't put the pieces together) AND might help KK adjust as a fellow young fin in the locker room.

Does Puljujärvi really make sense for us if we get Kakko? I don’t think we really can support another RW breaking into the league in need of an offensive role. Buch is also there, not sure how much of a sacrifice it’s for him to slide over to the left side.

Pulju has a lot of talent. Saw how Sellanne had been convinced that Pulju would become much better in the NHL than Laine. I’ve also heard of how many Finns are a bit skeptical of Kakko since Pulju have had such a rough time, not that I think that is warranted at all, not in light of what Kakko showed lately. But he has a somewhat unique combo of size and skill and offensive instincts. His shot has tremendous potential too.

But it’s not easy to for a 6’5 kid to get involved and stay with the pace in today’s game. You want him in a really sheltered role with a lot of support to get up ice, you want to be able to give him a lot of PP time nightly and grow into that role, and so forth. We already have Kravy and Kakko who needs the same things. Buch. I think the quota of these types is filling up.

 

[GAGLine]

I think we’re seeing both sides of the argument and a correlation between spending on FAs and the presumptive timeline of when they think this team will be competitive enough to make a run.
It’s understandable to shy away from spending on a FA if you think the timeframe of this rebuild, retooling, whatever you call it will take another 5-10 years.
Personally, I don’t think it will take that long at all. I think folks around the league are going to be surprised at how quickly this franchise as a whole has been rebuilt.
After watching other teams in the playoffs last season and currently it wouldn’t surprise me if the Rangers make a push for the playoffs within two seasons. And I think once the defense is established they will take off and once they are in the playoffs they will be there for years to come.
Having said that, I’d go after Panarin and stay away from Karlsson. I’m all in favor of moving Kreider, 20OA to move up and I’m not in favor of buying out contracts just for the sake of buying them out... buying them out, retaining, whatever because younger players are earning those spots is a different matter.

Find one person on this board who thinks the rebuild will take 5-10 more years.

 

[Nickmo82]

Find one person on this board who thinks the rebuild will take 5-10 more years.

By the time we're done rebuilding, everybody will be arguing about whether Chytil/Shestyorkin/Kravstov/Kappo should be traded because their next giant contract is kicking in and they'll be approaching 30 and NMC and blahblahblah.

RebuildForever!

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

We are not getting panarin for 11m per anymore after the skinner contract. He will command 12-13 aav now. I'm not spending more money on panarin than the best player in hockey McDavid. That contract will put us in cap hell. Can we stop being the rangers of old. Let panarin go.

Let our bad contracts just run out or next year when there is 1 year left on Smith shatty Staal we can trade them with retention. Instead let's use our cap space wisely since we are not going anywhere for another 2 years or so. Sign players like Simmonds, Ennis, panik and so on for cheap since 2 of the 3 made less than 2m, and Simmonds made 3m. Sign them to a 1 year deal each and at the deadline they can be assets that we trade to get draft capital. Keep building from within and use the capital we get to move up high in the draft to get our own potential stars. And we can then if we want to use the cap space we can go after Taylor hall.

Panarin will not get more then McDavid, even if McDavid signed the deal 2 years ago. Center VS winger and Panarin has never touched McDavids production.

$11MM may be $11.5MM.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

As many have said, I think Chytil ends up a winger long term. I'm a proponent of signing Panarin as I feel this team will be entering the playoffs in the 2020-21 season. The top 9 could look something like (Based off assumption Kreider is dealt):

Chytil - Zbad - Kaako
Kravtsov- XXXX - Panarin
Lemieux- Howden - Buch

Big question up front is who that #2 C is. Does Andersson turn it on? Do they use the asset(s) acquired in a Kreider plus the #20 to get into the top 10 and get one of the centers?

On D they have a lot of talent in the pipeline, but it's all potential at this point. Only #1 D potential is Miller. Then you have a bunch of #3 potentials in Fox, ADA, Hajek, Lundkvist. Skjei is a 2nd pairing D.

Do you trade Andersson plus something to grab Trouba? Guess that's if you feel hes a 1st pairing Dman.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Don't agree with any of the buyout talk for Staal, Smith, or Shattenkirk. If we can find a trading partner and offload them with retention, go for it. Otherwise, just carry 8 D and stash two of them in the press box. We have the cap space right now, and guys like Hajek, Rykov, Lindgren, etc., shouldn't just be handed roster spots. I want max cap space in two years when those contracts are off the books.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Don't agree with any of the buyout talk for Staal, Smith, or Shattenkirk. If we can find a trading partner and offload them with retention, go for it. Otherwise, just carry 8 D and stash two of them in the press box. We have the cap space right now, and guys like Hajek, Rykov, Lindgren, etc., shouldn't just be handed roster spots. I want max cap space in two years when those contracts are off the books.

That's exactly how the FO sees it imo and they will follow that plan. There will be no buyouts and we will see Staal, Hank, Shat and Smith here until their contracts end.

What pisses me off about this buyout-talk, is that it is obviously a better choice to just sit the contracts out. We have cap space now, a very young prospect pool that doesn't need to be thrown into the cold water now and a rebuiling objective. Everything is working according to plan, no iceberg in sight.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

That's exactly how the FO sees it imo and they will follow that plan. There will be no buyouts and we will see Staal, Hank, Shat and Smith here until their contracts end.

What pisses me off about this buyout-talk, is that it is obviously a better choice to just sit the contracts out. We have cap space now, a very young prospect pool that doesn't need to be thrown into the cold water now and a rebuiling objective. Everything is working according to plan, no iceberg in sight.

The only situation in which I'd support a buyout is if they're planning on bringing in a toxic contract or two, and the return is too good to pass up, but we need the cap space created by a buyout. I can't even conceive of a situation where that could be the case.

 

[Nordiques1979]

Just curious to see what the appetite here is for Jesse Puljujärvi / what NYR could give up to get him.

Didn't watch him play much this past year, but think he'd be the right kind of gamble (young / hasn't put the pieces together) AND might help KK adjust as a fellow young fin in the locker room.

The Oilers won't give up on him. The kid needs a fresh start, so Holland will probably loan him to Jokerit in KHL or Karpat his youth club.

 

[kinger8998]

We are not getting panarin for 11m per anymore after the skinner contract. He will command 12-13 aav now. I'm not spending more money on panarin than the best player in hockey McDavid. That contract will put us in cap hell. Can we stop being the rangers of old. Let panarin go.

Let our bad contracts just run out or next year when there is 1 year left on Smith shatty Staal we can trade them with retention. Instead let's use our cap space wisely since we are not going anywhere for another 2 years or so. Sign players like Simmonds, Ennis, panik and so on for cheap since 2 of the 3 made less than 2m, and Simmonds made 3m. Sign them to a 1 year deal each and at the deadline they can be assets that we trade to get draft capital. Keep building from within and use the capital we get to move up high in the draft to get our own potential stars. And we can then if we want to use the cap space we can go after Taylor hall.

i get that you don't want to pay panarin 12-13, but i hope you realise if panarin gets that much hall will easily command that to. he's won a hart, and was on pace for 91 points in the new jersey devils this year lol. unless hall wants to play somewhere specific and will sacrifice money to do so, like tavares taking 11 in toronto insetad of 12.5 in sjs, you won't be getting hall for cheaper than panarin