Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLV
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DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Theodore is the only one I would do but Vegas wouldn't.
Amazing Kreiderman
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He had more points at even strength than every defenseman in the league who wasn't John Carlson or Roman Josi.
Categorizing him as a PP specialist would be miscasting him. It's not like he's Pionk where more than half of his points came on the PP. There are teams that are crazy into analytics and realize how good he was when he wasn't paired with Staal last year.
If you look at the top scoring RHD in the league, almost all of them are vets who are either locked into high dollar long term deals or about to hit UFA. The years of control matter as does his actual age because you know you aren't going to be overpaying at the back end of his contract for subpar production/performance.
Again, I think trading him would be stupid as hell unless it really makes sense. Like even if hes an ass during contract negotiations, do the 1 year deal thing again and kick that can down the road. It's not like we don't have cap space opening up soon.
I Eat Crow
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The idea being trading DeAngelo is that you can acquire a cornerstone piece in return.
Nurse is a good player. Theodore and Lindholm are great players. I'd want an exceptional LHD or center in return for DeAngelo.
I'd keep DeAngelo otherwise.
Nurse is a good player. Theodore and Lindholm are great players. I'd want an exceptional LHD or center in return for DeAngelo.
I'd keep DeAngelo otherwise.
This place is going to get ugly when the Rangers trade DeAngelo for a couple NHL players that make the team deeper and a prospect they like but the fans hate.
Fitzy
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That's also not a terrible strategy, given NYR's position of strength at offensive RD right now.
I don't know if Fox or Trouba will ever be quite as good as ADA on the powerplay, but I think we can sacrifice that edge to make the defense better on the left side and add roster depth.
Oscar Lindberg
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All I'm saying is
A) I understand and see both sides to the DeAngelo conversation
B) If they trade him, I think expectations on the return should be tempered
C) He's one of the best offensive driven defensemen in the league, but it's very easy to point out his flaws and show the cracks that could lower his value
A) I understand and see both sides to the DeAngelo conversation
B) If they trade him, I think expectations on the return should be tempered
C) He's one of the best offensive driven defensemen in the league, but it's very easy to point out his flaws and show the cracks that could lower his value
I don't like it.
You can acquire depth by moving other piece which aren't as significant. DeAngelo is a HUGE part of the PP, him not being able to move had a big part of it being so bad in the playoffs.
Oscar Lindberg
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I mean, that sounds fine to me
Would I love a building block piece for DeAngelo, yeah.
Am I going to complain if they go this route instead, probably not
CommaSynapse
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I mean, that sounds fine to me
Would I love a building block piece for DeAngelo, yeah.
Am I going to complain if they go this route instead, probably not
I'd hope for a Hamilton/Ferland/Fox for Lindholm/Hanifin kind of trade. Worked out pretty well.
Oscar Lindberg
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The problem with this type of trade is they're so difficult to piece together
I'm struggling to come up with a deal that "makes sense" for both sides
Yeah I mean if we have to "settle" for two 50pt RHD but add depth where it's needed, then it makes sense from a team building perspective. Unfortunately I can already see a lot of people convincing themselves that there's a perfect 1-for-1 scenario out there and anything else is a failure.
I'd love to move "right Tony" and get "left Tony" but I don't think that's in the cards.
I mean, that sounds fine to me
Would I love a building block piece for DeAngelo, yeah.
Am I going to complain if they go this route instead, probably not
Just making a generalization, not trying to point fingers. I think sometimes this board tends to see trades in isolation instead of the bigger picture. The goal is to make the team better and moving 1 great guy from a position of strength for two good guys who fill a position of need can in fact make the team better. Even if it looks like a downgrade in isolation.
Even if there isn't a 1-1 available, you can still make a good trade.
If their idea of a good trade is something like Eriksson-Ek, Greenway and Adam Beckman, then I'd rather not make the trade at all. Not that Minnesota would be a landing spot per se, but they're on TV and were the first team that came to mind lol.
NYR Viper
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I'm game for splitting the value up for ADA. Get a good young center or LD and add a piece or two onto that.
Completely agree. However, I think it stands to reason that the Rangers would want some tangible NHL production back in the deal with maybe a future piece to hedge their bets against. I don't think they'll just try to grab a bunch of guys with promise and hope for the best.
Boris Zubov
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This keeps getting brought up, but Theodore isn't going anywhere. Vegas is so thin on defense as it is, they're not giving up their #1D for a primarily offensive D-man. Remember, this is a team that plays Nick Holden 15 minutes a game.
HatTrick Swayze
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I don't know why everyone keeps categorizing ADA as a PP guy. He was 4th in the league in 5v5 points as well. He had 30 vs Fox's 22 and Trouba's 16.
Just popped into my and there would probably be adds on each side but would a Strome for Brodin be a fair trade? I seem to remember Minny wanting to move him, and maybe he would mesh well with Fox or Trouba (instead of 18&42).
HatTrick Swayze
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I think anything short of a value for value trade...essentially 1-for-1 swap (not necessarily a dman though) for ADA would be a huge mistake. I get team building, but there are other ways to achieve that objective without giving up such a valuable trade chip that would in this scenario be the most valuable player in the deal. I would rather they add to ADA to get a cornerstone piece then gamble on quantity.
Thirty One
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DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
I agree, that's why I said Vegas wouldn't do it. When it comes to Holden, he would be our best LHD and he's actually good. He was unfairly criticized when he was here.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
He was 3rd in all situations P/60 this season, and last season he was 20th, when the Rangers weren't particularly potent offensively. 3rd at 5v5 this season, 42nd last season. If he was thought of as a PP specialist that would be foolish.
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