Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLV

[NYR Viper]

Go look at the TOI comparison between the Rangers and the Hurricanes. We want to know why the team looked gassed? Mika was playing on average 5 minutes more per game than Aho and the team was chasing the puck as they rarely had possession. This can be overcome when the team is in mid season form but when these guys are still trying to get in game shape it’s not going to work. This is when depth has to come in and Quinn refused to use his probably because the lower lines weren’t generating enough.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Would have been nice if everyone was healthy. Maybe we still lose the series but who knows? Maybe game 1 looks different with a healthy DeAngelo and healthy Igor

I don't feel Deangelo was that limited, he certainly had no problem getting into a fight, or squatting down on the final goal. I just think he like a lot of these guys wasn't in shape for playoffs. What is more concerning, if he was limited, was the fact the coach kept putting him out there, especially on pp1 where he was awful. I was more concerned with him trying to pass it up through the middle from behind the net against a team that plugs that area off, that's not physical that's mental.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lol he was clearly limited. He could barely move at all.

The coach has had no problems playing limited players. Look at DeAngelo's partner...

 

[NYRKing]

I’m surprised about the talk around trading ADA. He had an absolute monster of a breakout season. 24 yr old near 60 pt dman. Sure, there are warts defensively but he plays with an edge.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I’m surprised about the talk around trading ADA. He had an absolute monster of a breakout season. 24 yr old near 60 pt dman. Sure, there are warts defensively but he plays with an edge.

@KreiderBomb has made it his lifes mission to will his trade from the Rangers into the universe.

Then there are the knee jerk reactions from people based off of 3 games where he played on one leg and then those who don't like him for other reasons.

 

[NYRKing]

@KreiderBomb has made it his lifes mission to will his trade from the Rangers into the universe.

Then there are the knee jerk reactions from people based off of 3 games where he played on one leg and then those who don't like him for other reasons.

The main board bumped a thread from last year to bash him. I don’t get it lol.

I’m not calling him an allstar but wow does this guy get a bad rap.

People are still clinging to the issues in junior and being a Tampa cast off I guess.

 

[rangers1314]

I’m surprised about the talk around trading ADA. He had an absolute monster of a breakout season. 24 yr old near 60 pt dman. Sure, there are warts defensively but he plays with an edge.

I'm not sure if it's as much "trade ADA" as it is "lets float him and see what the return could be".

Considering the depth on the right side, both at the NHL level and coming, it would make sense to do your due diligence on what the return could be coming off this season, no? His value has never been higher.

I forget who mentioned it before (perhaps @bobbop?), but what if Vegas came looking for a RHD/PP QB, and made a guy like Cody Glass or Peyton Krebs available. You'd have to at least consider it, no?

 

[RiffyNYR61]

The main board bumped a thread from last year to bash him. I don’t get it lol.

I’m not calling him an allstar but wow does this guy get a bad rap.

People are still clinging to the issues in junior and being a Tampa cast off I guess.

You deal from depth to improve in other areas (center). NYR are in a cap crunch and he’s going to demand a hefty sum (he had a big contract year). We have young D in the pipeline (Miller, Lundkvist, Jones, Robinson) and on the roster (Fox) that should be ready to step up to replace him at a cheaper cost. Bc he had the good year he would ideally bring back a solid, young 2C (in theory). Maybe in a non-cap world it’s easier to hold onto him.

The fact that he’s an a****** off the ice is besides the point, but an added bonus to moving him.

 

[RiffyNYR61]

I'm not sure if it's as much "trade ADA" as it is "lets float him and see what the return could be".

Considering the depth on the right side, both at the NHL level and coming, it would make sense to do your due diligence on what the return could be coming off this season, no? His value has never been higher.

I forget who mentioned it before (perhaps @bobbop?), but what if Vegas came looking for a RHD/PP QB, and made a guy like Cody Glass or Peyton Krebs available. You'd have to at least consider it, no?

You beat me to it by seconds lol

 

[Avery16]

Lol he was clearly limited. He could barely move at all.

The coach has had no problems playing limited players. Look at DeAngelo's partner...

Not linking to it, but Brooks says ADA hamstring injury and Igor groin.

 

[Vitto79]

If Hank actually retires and goes to Sweden then I can live w Staal and Smith for 1 more yr as the 6/7 D... no point to buyout 1 yr

Hopefully Hajek or Reunanen , Rykov step up cause Miller , Robertson , Jones need time to develop

 

[Leetch3]

If Hank actually retires and goes to Sweden then I can live w Staal and Smith for 1 more yr as the 6/7 D... no point to buyout 1 yr

Hopefully Hajek or Reunanen , Rykov step up cause Miller , Robertson , Jones need time to develop

given the late start to the season there is very little chance that Reunanen and Rykov are here. they will play in europe

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

From what I have seen, unless there is a situation out there I am not aware of there is probably not an apples for apples trade available for DeAngelo. If the Rangers choose to go that route, I think their best strategy is to target a young high end forward, preferably a center, and use some of their draft capital to continue to stock the defense.

Depending on what happened over the next two months, one possible target is Vegas. The Knights are a win now team and they could use a power play triggerman. They are also short on the right side. They also have two very good, very young forwards in Cody Glass and Peyton Krebs. Krebs in particular intrigues me. He had a very big comeback season after seeing his draft stock fall due to an achilles injury. Perhaps something around one of the young forwards, a placeholder defenseman (they would need to move out some salary) Alec Martinez, Brayden McNabb and a pick would interest the Rangers.

Weren't the Rangers rumored to be high on Glass? I know the Rangers wanted Makar and Pettersson in 2017, but I thought I read somewhere (possibly here) that Glass was also of great interest and probably would've been the pick at 7 over Lias.

 

[Vitto79]

given the late start to the season there is very little chance that Reunanen and Rykov are here. they will play in europe

Can’t they start on loan then get called up ? I assume tons of players are going that route

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Weren't the Rangers rumored to be high on Glass? I know the Rangers wanted Makar and Pettersson in 2017, but I thought I read somewhere (possibly here) that Glass was also of great interest and probably would've been the pick at 7 over Lias.

Yes they were

The day leading up to the draft, McKenzie reported that the Rangers short list for that pick was Pettersson, Glass, Suzuki and Andersson. All depended on who was available. We also know that Necas was being considered as well

Pettersson would have been the pick if they managed to convince Dallas to trade down

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

You deal from depth to improve in other areas (center). NYR are in a cap crunch and he’s going to demand a hefty sum (he had a big contract year). We have young D in the pipeline (Miller, Lundkvist, Jones, Robinson) and on the roster (Fox) that should be ready to step up to replace him at a cheaper cost. Bc he had the good year he would ideally bring back a solid, young 2C (in theory). Maybe in a non-cap world it’s easier to hold onto him.

The fact that he’s an a****** off the ice is besides the point, but an added bonus to moving him.

How many times have we counted on young player or prospect x being able to step up into a given role no problem over the years?

When is the last time a NYR d man was top 5 in scoring?

If they can get a legit stud 2c or an equivalent LD I can understand the move. But they better be DAMN sure they get this right because I’ve seen this script play out too many times and never with a player who had the season ADA just had.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Yes they were

The day leading up to the draft, McKenzie reported that the Rangers short list for that pick was Petersson, Glass, Suzuki and Andersson. All depended on who was available. We also know that Necas was being considered as well

Pettersson, Makar, Glass, Suzuki, Necas....and we ended up with Lias Andersson. Granted we didn't have a chance to draft the former three, but still. I remember the Rangers were talking with the Stars about moving to #3, presumably for Makar or Pettersson. Sigh.

6/7 chance we would've wound up with a quality young player...well, it certainly makes me feel better about our lottery odds on Monday!

 

[Vitto79]

Yes they were

The day leading up to the draft, McKenzie reported that the Rangers short list for that pick was Pettersson, Glass, Suzuki and Andersson. All depended on who was available. We also know that Necas was being considered as well

Pettersson would have been the pick if they managed to convince Dallas to trade down

Yep I wanted Glass

made the wrong pick it seems . They just need to dump Andersson at this point for a pick

 

[Vitto79]

Im hoping they find space for Fast a C that can win face offs

Kravtsov/Barron/DG, Chytil , Gauthier
Lemieux, ufa , Fast

Play Kakko top 6

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Yep I wanted Glass

made the wrong pick it seems . They just need to dump Andersson at this point for a pick

Glass was gone when the Rangers picked.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'll say this, Kreider was NOT a good or even decent defensive player when he first arrived out of college and yet the team gave him time to make some mistakes and provide offense. The same approach needs to be taken with Gauthier. The kid needs minutes and a leash where he can make some mistakes and learn. Offensively, I think he is someone who can help with depth scoring as soon as next year but this idea of playing him 6 minutes a night needs to go away.

 

[rangers1314]

I'll say this, Kreider was NOT a good or even decent defensive player when he first arrived out of college and yet the team gave him time to make some mistakes and provide offense. The same approach needs to be taken with Gauthier. The kid needs minutes and a leash where he can make some mistakes and learn. Offensively, I think he is someone who can help with depth scoring as soon as next year but this idea of playing him 6 minutes a night needs to go away.

Hopefully he's someone that sticks around NY and attends "Camp Kreider" in CT this summer.

 

[mrhockey193195]

I'm not at all saying we *must* trade ADA, but out of curiosity - what realistic Centers might possibly be available if we were to float his name out there in a package (say with some combination of Buch, Georgiev, or D prospects)? I know Eichel rumors are a plenty, but that seems completely unrealistic to me (no way Buffalo moves him for anything less than an overpayment, which means Kakko as part of a package from NYR).

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If Hank actually retires and goes to Sweden then I can live w Staal and Smith for 1 more yr as the 6/7 D... no point to buyout 1 yr

Hopefully Hajek or Reunanen , Rykov step up cause Miller , Robertson , Jones need time to develop

Oh there is still every reason to buy out Staal.

He was our worst player this year by a long shot and while he wasn't the only reason we got swept, his play was a major factor.

He needs to be gone since the coaches refuse to sit him.

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

Not giving up on Andersson. He has a lot of intangibles our forwards lack. He just needs to get his head on straight. JD is on record multiple times saying the team needs to get bigger and tougher. Especially on d. Said it a ton already. TDA, Fox and Lundkvist are all 5'11. Not going to work with what JD's vision is. TDA will be by far the worst defensive defenseman of those three. Which if he's not traded I see him being moved to wing. Still on board for bringing Kopitar in if you can dump Staal or Smith back the other way. I have no issues trading TDA, Strome and Staal for Kopitar. L.A. is getting ready to dump him. I think he would be great here for 3-4 years.