Kreider is a legit top line wing. His injury was more than a nagging one. Hamstring games are not nagging. He is also a career Rangers and a big a part of the leadership of the group. That does not mean he is resigned, but it does weigh. I am sure that if Gorton sees a deal that inlcudes one of the names that he loves and that he needs to sacrifice Kreider, then he will do it. If he does not and Kreider's pay is within the confines of the box that Gorton has in his head, then he will stay.
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Let’s see what he is asking for first before moving on. Those numbers you presented are what you use in negotiations. His style of game is still impactful and worth having around if the numbers are right.
I’m probably one of the few people who would be OK with this. Would have to trade Shattenkirk and buyout or trade one of Smith or Staal to make the numbers work under the cap.
-Shattenkirk to NJD or NYI for a 3rd or 4th
-Trade Smith (50% Retained) to a cap floor team for a 7th
-Trade Vesey or Namestnikov for a 3rd or 4th
-Trade Pionk for a prospect or pick
This frees up 11-13m in cap space
-Sign Erik Karlsson for 5 years at 9.5m per
-Sign Artemi Panarin for 7 years at 9.5m per
-Re-sign Pavel Buchnevich for 3 years at 4m per
-Re-sign Tony Deangelo for 2 years at 2.5m per
-Re-sign Brendan Lemieux for 2 years at 1.25 per
All this leaves about a 3-5million in cap space.
Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
Vesey/Namestnikov-Andersson-Kravtsov
Lemieux-Howden-Strome
Skjei-Karlsson
Staal-Deangelo
Hajek-Fox
Lundqvist
Georgiev/Shesterkin
We will Riot!
What I meant by nagging, was it wasn't enough to keep him out of the line-up. A lot of guys play when they can. It what separates Hockey players from beeyotches like baseball players.
Evander Kane contract 2.0, imo. That's too rich for me.
Where do you draw the line at, just out of curiosity?
I just ran it with an 83 million dollar cap, using Namesnikov instead of Vesey (who is one of my extras, Nam carries the bigger hit anyway) using the rest of camp dump and RFA scenarios. You would have a touch under 3 mill in cap.
Now if we visit the realm of reality, the second you give both of the bolded guys 11 million like they would take at minimum, it doesn't work, even if they manage to off load all of that salary (FYI, the cap is likely to be between 81-82 according to most insiders, not the 83 listed on Capfriendly.)
You'd have to drop another body and if you're keeping Kreider long term, you'd be f***ed once his extension kicks in the year after next.
One of them can work, both of them doesn't.
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I agree but for the purposes of the salary cap, they can really only squeeze one of them in with out causing much of a problem.
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There are quite a few players that you would like to give big minutes that simply won't get them in North America unless they go to the ECHL or we trade players. Especially if we don't trade Smith/Staal/Shat/Pionk, of which we can reasonably assume will eat a lot of minutes.
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Pionk to me, is the type of guy who would get moved. I could see a team like Toronto really liking him and making a move to help shore up their blue-line. Pair him with Muzzin and that has the makings of a good pairing, especially if they trade Zaitsev. He's cost controlled and shouldn't cost much and has proven to be a NHL caliber defenseman when no played 24 minutes a night.
Trouba turned down long term extensions in 2016 and 2018 for two short term deals. If he was really worried about an injury, he would have signed a long term contract in 2016 and he would be three years into that contract at this point in time.
Who finished 2nd for him when he was coming out of UMD?
Send him there, they still probably like him.
The problems with those extensions were he would have to stay in Winnipeg.
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Trouba has a very big incentive to sign a new contract with whomever trades for him, if he doesn’t he will not be traded and have to wait another year in Winnipeg.
Who is willing to trade for a guy that mostly has been a No 2-3 D for his team giving up a 1st and an A prospect if the player is a 1 year rental.
Trouba’s upcoming value (for winnipeg) has always been dependent on how many teams he’d be willing to sign long term with. If it’s 1-3 teams and 2 of those teams aren’t interested in trading, winnipeg is screwed. If they are 5-7 teams he’d consider, winnipeg has an auction.
If that’s the deal. I much prefer the rangers go route of trading for a defensemen with 1RD potential who has a couple more years left at a reasonable price. As opposed to paying a boat haul for trouba and then paying him primo bucks.
Hmmmm I wonder if there is a guy out there that fits the bil
If that’s the deal. I much prefer the rangers go route of trading for a defensemen with 1RD potential who has a couple more years left at a reasonable price. As opposed to paying a boat haul for trouba and then paying him primo bucks.
Hmmmm I wonder if there is a guy out there that fits the bil
Ranger fans will riot if Shatty or any of the vets are traded. They signed here while they could have gone to UFA. I think many of the kids can go to Europe/KHL or find gigs elsewhere.
Nazem Kadri — must — be the most overrated player in the NHL, AINEC. Whoever gets him will have a Bolland on their hands.
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Claesson is the only guy of that list who reasonably wouldn't play and that's because he's the #7D on the main roster.
There's roster space for the rest and plenty of room for healthy competition in both the AHL and NHL.
The chances of all of Rykov, Reunanen, Hajek, Lindgren, etc. all becoming NHLers even with everything engineered to steer them towards it approaches zero. If they can't beat out the likes of Neal Pionk and Marc Staal.... they aren't NHL caliber by definition, no?
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Huh? Shatty was a UFA... no one is rioting if Kreider is traded (he will)... they didn't when Zucc was.
Smith? LOL
Staal? Seriously doubt it. They didn't even riot when Leetch was (though they/we weren't happy about it)
Huh?
Leetch was homegrown so are Kreider. Staal and Zucc.
The UFAs are different. I’ve heard numerous posters at this play express qualms about dealing Shatty, but never in regards to a homegrown player. Many still think it’s good to keep Smith around.
I think it’s quite common to yearn for players on other teams that seem to do well and have no flaws, then that positive feeling about that player spills over to when we sign them as UFAs with all the attention that gets etc.
I think Gorts would face a lot of criticism if he dealt Shatty, maybe not from the posters at this place but the average fan.
I know the question is retorical, but maybe Dallas. If Zuuc does not sign they have their 2020 1st. Their forwards are not young. They need to go for it. Their 3 most used defenders looked gassed in the end of the playoffs. Too much ice time. If they can sign a UFA forward they can trade for Trouba.
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