Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLV

[I Eat Crow]

What if Hall to Colorado comes with an extension? Pick 4+ for Hall is a winner for both teams.

I do think Colorado's 4th overall could be in play, but only for the right player.

Patrik Laine comes to mind...

 

[NernieBichols]

Someone about as high up as it gets, literally, casually responded when I added about hall or panarin late this summer.

‘Some of these kids are canadien kids, some of them might have their eyes on canadien markets’

My own deciphering. Hall might be eyeing up and coming teams in Canada that are trending up. Whether that’s Ottawa/Montreal/Toronto Canada or western Canada. Don’t know. Maybe the guys roots point the way, won’t know until it plays itself out though.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I do think Colorado's 4th overall could be in play, but only for the right player.

Patrik Laine comes to mind...

Yeah they aren't giving up the #4 for a guy who just had knee surgery for the 2nd time in 3 years, extension or not.

Look at what Stone got, add a 1st and maybe another prospect and that should be the return for Hall.

16+2020 2nd+Kaut+Timmons, if he were to go at the draft.

 

[NernieBichols]

It's not all that different than building a pitching rotation. If you can find/get that guy at the top, everything else more easily comes into focus around him.

Or if when you think you might already have your future pitching staff in house and developing already, and then a young phenom falls into your lap

 

[Rongomania]

If Laine goes to the Devils, I think that would be pretty frightening, a Hischier/Laine/Hughes PP would be freakin' devastating. Hall+ small add for Laine seems about fair for both teams, if not better for the devils considering Laines age/unknown ceiling.

I still think we shake out better though

 

[TheBloodyNine]

If Laine goes to the Devils, I think that would be pretty frightening, a Hischier/Laine/Hughes PP would be freakin' devastating. Hall+ small add for Laine seems about fair for both teams, if not better for the devils considering Laines age/unknown ceiling.

I still think we shake out better though

It would have to be a lot more than just a small add to have Winnipeg trade Laine for Hall.

 

[SA16]

Laine plays basically the same role on the PP as Palmieri who is extremely good at it.

 

[Rongomania]

It would have to be a lot more than just a small add to have Winnipeg trade Laine for Hall.

I mean, I was inferring that Hall would re-up with the Peg.

Jersey doesn't really have any other enticing pieces so ideally this doesn't happen and they lose Hall and look like fools. That's definitely the scenario I'm pulling for. All alone on Jack Hughes Island.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Winnipeg doesn't have the cap space for Hall, or Laine for that matter if they want to keep everything else intact.

I'm on record saying for months that Winnipeg should trade Laine for a haul to keep their window open. He has an elite shot but when he's not scoring he's not doing much. He's basically an Ovechkin-lite that doesn't have the two way game and motor that Ovi has. That's not a good investment of a $10 million+ contract.

Laine to Colorado for a package around the 4th overall makes sense for both teams.

 

[Ola]

Anybody else think that with the whole Kakko/Hughes situation that Kravtsov is being overlooked?

Might be the perfect situation for him. He will likely be flying under the radar with most of the focus on our newest shiniest toy.

Oh definitely, if it weren't for Kakko, how many headlines including "Kravtsov" would be available at nypost's site by now? Top rated prospect outside the NHL. Exciting young kid.

I also fairly certain that Kravy will get off to a good start in NY. Sure you never know with puck luck, maybe he could have the marginals against him early, but overall I think there is a very good chance that Kravy can hit the ice running. He is kind of like Kreider in that sense when Chris joined us in the POs. He is good in the areas its universally really easy to apply your abilities in, skate fast and stress Ds to mistakes, drive the puck up ice when you get an opening. Streak down the wing and putting the puck on net.

I am usually pretty cautious when it comes to counting on Euros to be ready from the get go for the NHL, and especially when it comes to Russians. And Kravy can absolutely need time before he really finds his ways in the NHL and start to produce to the max of his abilities, like Kuznetzov. But I would definitely be surprised if he doesn't start in the NHL.

 

[NYR Viper]

EF: “Wayne Simmonds is a really interesting case. He’s a guy who really had a tough year and it looked really bad for him at the start of the playoffs. But what one guy told me was Pat Maroon and what he’s done in the playoffs is going to help a lot of guys like Wayne Simmonds because teams are going to look at this and say there’s room for these guys especially in the post-season. So I don’t think Wayne Simmonds is necessarily going to get the kind of term he hoped for, but I think the market for him is going to be better than some of us maybe thought at the end of the year. If he’s healthy enough to go, and he does take pretty good care of himself, I think that there’s going to be interest because of what Maroon did.”

31 Thoughts Podcast: A note on 10 pending NHL UFAs - Sportsnet.ca

Would anyone consider Simmonds on a 1 or two year prove it deal? The guy would add some size and physical play to the forward group as well as a net front presence on the PP should Kreider get traded.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I mean, I was inferring that Hall would re-up with the Peg.

Jersey doesn't really have any other enticing pieces so ideally this doesn't happen and they lose Hall and look like fools. That's definitely the scenario I'm pulling for. All alone on Jack Hughes Island.

Laine is still worth more than Hall with an extension.

 

[SA16]

What is he proving? He's been terrible at 5v5 for 3 years. Not just bad. Borderline 4th line level.

 

[Rongomania]

Laine is still worth more than Hall with an extension.

True, Colorado (as was said here) looks like they could definitely pony up a nice package. The Hall & Laine sagas will certainly be interesting to follow for sure.

 

[Edge]

To paraphrase Yogi Berra, I can help but feel it's getting late early for Simmonds' career.

I'd consider a one year deal if we're really hurting for wings. But all things being equal, I'd rather use the slots to shift Andersson, Names, Strome, and Chytil if needed, and give some flexibility to Kravtsov, Kakko, Lemieux, etc.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

To paraphrase Yogi Berra, I can help but feel it's getting late early for Simmonds' career.

I'd consider a one year deal if we're really hurting for wings. But all things being equal, I'd rather use the slots to shift Andersson, Names, Strome, and Chytil if needed, and give some flexibility to Kravtsov, Kakko, Lemieux, etc.

Serious question: Was Yogi Bear named after Yogi Berra?

 

[Thordic]

31 Thoughts Podcast: A note on 10 pending NHL UFAs - Sportsnet.ca

Would anyone consider Simmonds on a 1 or two year prove it deal? The guy would add some size and physical play to the forward group as well as a net front presence on the PP should Kreider get traded.

I think he's close to done. He has a lot of hard miles. I'm sure he'll still play hard but I don't think he has a lot left to give. I'd avoid him, even on a one-year deal. A few years ago I would have been all in on this though.

 

[iamitter]

Same story pretty much every year, the projections for the cap ceiling are always set with optimistic glasses on.

Can the NHL just lower the cap?

My guess, it's more revenue came in lesser than they were predicting in conjunction with them assuming the PA will set the escalator lower or not use it at all?

Lots of lower market teams late in the playoffs = less playoff revenue.

 

[Edge]

Serious question: Was Yogi Bear named after Yogi Berra?

Yes, despite claims at the time it wasn't.

The voice/personality/character design was modeled after the Norton character on The Honeymooners, as played by Art Carney.

 

[Raspewtin]

Simmonds has had "out of the NHL at 32" tattooed on his forehead since he entered the league.

he's taken lots of beatings being a netfront presence and has been in a lot of fights, not exactly a big guy either.

 

[kovazub94]

Good post. Two years from now and Mika could well be in the same situation. Fed up having missed the playoffs the last 4 years. Prime of his career wasted.

Only if rebuild fails, otherwise it would be a completely different situation.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

31 Thoughts Podcast: A note on 10 pending NHL UFAs - Sportsnet.ca

Would anyone consider Simmonds on a 1 or two year prove it deal? The guy would add some size and physical play to the forward group as well as a net front presence on the PP should Kreider get traded.

No he sucks now.

We can add size and physical play with a player who doesn't suck elsewhere. I'd love to move someone like Pionk for Virtanen.

 

[kovazub94]

No--I don't either. IMO if we had played Georgiev more we would have had a better record. I think Quinn kind of figured that out in the second half of the season. I don't intend to **** all over Henrik--he's had a HOF career for us. Arguably the best goalie in the league for much of that career. He's not anymore--at least not on the ice--he's a tremendous example to follow off the ice though. A complete professional--he's just finally hit the wall and IMO he lost us games we could have won meanwhile Georgiev won us games we should have lost. If San Jose or another team wanted to trade for him though and he wanted to go then by all means--there you go. But I would think it was dumb as hell on their part.

Lundqvist was definitely (by far) a better goaltender for the Rangers through the first 1/3 of the season. Close to equal in the middle 1/3 and Georgiev outplayed Hank starting around TDL. If salary and cap were not a concern I'm sure there are teams out there that would've bet on Hank being his old self for the length of a playoff run. The question would be around timing - how to get him to perform at that level after the regular season.

 

[effen]

31 Thoughts Podcast: A note on 10 pending NHL UFAs - Sportsnet.ca

Would anyone consider Simmonds on a 1 or two year prove it deal? The guy would add some size and physical play to the forward group as well as a net front presence on the PP should Kreider get traded.

Only scenario it works is if NYR get Hughes and they want someone to ride shotgun with him because he still has a child body. In that case a 1 or 2 yr deal is fine, but a lot of guys would be fine who aren't Simmonds too.

 

[kovazub94]

Hayes could fit in very well with the Flyers. Big body--can hold on to the puck. Couturier and Voracek the same. I think Kevin is a similar player to Couturier--just a little less offensively gifted.

Yes about the fit but is this an indictment on Nolan?

One lesson to all - Flyers made a mistake trading Schenn when they did and for what they did (a placeholder "depth" vet) unnecessarily putting more pressure on Patrick and exposing him to tougher competition than what he was ready.