Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIX

[Savant]

They were used together, but in very specific situations. Mostly with a man up.

Sure. Doesn’t say a whole lot though. It’s negligent to not give Trouba a better partner.

 

[Avery16]

Oh, come on. Seriously? That is an example of sophistry. That is not at all what I said. I NEVER said an offensive defenseman and a defensive defenseman should not be paired. I said that a defensively deficient defenseman should not be moved on his off side and then thrust onto the ice against the opposition's top players.

Seriously, taking the Beuk Leetch flight of fancy is just beyond.

Sorry, it’s kind of hard to tell just what you’re arguing some of the time.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I’m not saying this is wrong but I have no recollection of this. Was referring to his ability to play with Trouba though.

He played 37+ minutes with Trouba, they crushed it together too.

Note: I'm not suggesting that this is something they do long term. I don't think DeAngelo is the type of partner Trouba needs. We've discussed those options in this thread (Klefbom/Lindholm/Ekholm.)

They were used together, but in very specific situations. Mostly with a man up.

No those are 5v5 minutes.

 

[Avery16]

I would sooner try Lindgren with Trouba than DeAngelo or Fox. I don't think Lindgren is a top pairing defender, but the game he plays is pretty well-suited to what Trouba does. I think Lindgren's best attribute is his ability to make the simple play, and he generally does a good job getting the puck out and up. He might be overexposed in that role, but I think based on tools and style, he's a better fit than anyone else.

(I'm not counting Fox. Fox can play with anyone.)

I wouldn't pair ADA and Trouba, but I think ADA-Fox would work. I'm sure the lack of size would bother some people but with Fox's smarts and abilities defensively I think they could be a dynamic pairing.

This should be tried too. My point is it’s rash to go out and acquire a top pairing D before trying these first.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

1st, Brendan Smith, Mikhail Pashnin. Done.

Gonna go post this on the trade board!

 

[cwede]

This should be tried too. My point is it’s rash to go out and acquire a top pairing D before trying these first.

Especially if we keep ADA since can only protect 3 from Seattle.
Plan for expansion draft should be expose quantity (Howden, Lemieux, Fast? Gauthier? Hajek, ...) over quality (...Lindgren or an incoming top 4 LHD...
Saw the post, here somewhere?, about exposing ADA if need be

 

[True Blue]

Sure. Doesn’t say a whole lot though. It’s negligent to not give Trouba a better partner.

I am with you. I think that playing DeAngelo with Trouba is assinine. I think hoping for results on his off side is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[True Blue]

Sorry, it’s kind of hard to tell just what you’re arguing some of the time.

The fact that you took my statement that pairing Trouba with DeAngelo was me simplifying it down to disliking pairing an offensive defenseman and and a defensive one.

 

[True Blue]

He played 37+ minutes with Trouba, they crushed it together too.

Note: I'm not suggesting that this is something they do long term. I don't think DeAngelo is the type of partner Trouba needs. We've discussed those options in this thread (Klefbom/Lindholm/Ekholm.)



No those are 5v5 minutes.

You and I have went rounds with this. I think entering the season with that as an axiom is a disaster. Best we agree to disagree.

Oh, and I get that you are not saying that he is the type of partner that Trouba needs.

 

[bobbop]

How would you rank priorities if you include LD into consideration?

Center is my top priority. The Rangers have long term answers available at LD. For the short term I think they can patch LD, perhaps by signing a veteran for 2 years (so they have someone to expose to Seattle) and running out the Staal and Smith contracts. Not ideal but you only have so much money to go around. I’m just not sure Strome is a long term solution and I am certainly not giving out a long contract based on one very nice season.

 

[NYRangers16]

Anyone penciling in ADA as 1LD is kidding themselves. It’s a fantasy but in practice is probably not going to work. So this is where the rebuild turns into building a contender. As JD said, a lot of players who are here now probably won’t be here once that transition is made.

 

[UnSandvich]

We have a complete disagreement on this. Chytil looks like he is ready to get another shot at 3C. He looked NOTHING like a 2C in 2020.

Maybe I am wrong, but there is no chance you are seeing DeAngelo play on his off side with anyone. Not at ES or unless the coaching staff is desperate. While I think that his defense will improve, having him switch sides is a likely disaster. And certainly not a way to enter the season.

Regarding LD, I doubt that the team can afford a top LD. Not unless major money is moved around.

Right, so it seems that we disagree on all 3 points (even if I don't necessarily think LHD should be our target, we can make something work). Good talk.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You and I have went rounds with this. I think entering the season with that as an axiom is a disaster. Best we agree to disagree.

Oh, and I get that you are not saying that he is the type of partner that Trouba needs.

Yes, but you said that they only played together a man up, that is not true.

 

[True Blue]

Yes, but you said that they only played together a man up, that is not true.

I stand corrected

 

[True Blue]

Right, so it seems that we disagree on all 3 points (even if I don't necessarily think LHD should be our target, we can make something work). Good talk.

The talk is fine. We just happen to disagree and debate it. That's what usually happens on a message board.

 

[NYRangers16]

Center is my top priority. The Rangers have long term answers available at LD. For the short term I think they can patch LD, perhaps by signing a veteran for 2 years (so they have someone to expose to Seattle) and running out the Staal and Smith contracts. Not ideal but you only have so much money to go around. I’m just not sure Strome is a long term solution and I am certainly not giving out a long contract based on one very nice season.

I don’t think anyone in the front office is waiting around to see if our D prospects are ready or to waste a year now that we have Alexis. There will be a move for a LD - as for the expansion draft, I imagine a roster player will go the other way to make it possible... Considering the 3 current D men being kept are Trouba(NMC), Lindgren, and TDA, I think it’s pretty obvious what a deal will look like. Or potentially it could be done with 2 moves - TDA for a 2C and a forward for a 1LD. But I don’t see how TDA is kept.

 

[Avery16]

I am with you. I think that playing DeAngelo with Trouba is assinine. I think hoping for results on his off side is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Sure. Doesn’t say a whole lot though. It’s negligent to not give Trouba a better partner.

Is an ADA/Trouba pairing more or less asinine than Brendan Smith getting top-pairing minutes?

 

[UnSandvich]

The talk is fine. We just happen to disagree and debate it. That's what usually happens on a message board.

Exactly. And unlike certain other people, you're not a rude dick about it either. (The "good talk" was semi-sarcastic, based solely on the fact that we think the polar opposite sides of those points)

 

[mas0764]

Center is my top priority. The Rangers have long term answers available at LD. For the short term I think they can patch LD, perhaps by signing a veteran for 2 years (so they have someone to expose to Seattle) and running out the Staal and Smith contracts. Not ideal but you only have so much money to go around. I’m just not sure Strome is a long term solution and I am certainly not giving out a long contract based on one very nice season.

Spot on.

 

[kovazub94]

Center is my top priority. The Rangers have long term answers available at LD. For the short term I think they can patch LD, perhaps by signing a veteran for 2 years (so they have someone to expose to Seattle) and running out the Staal and Smith contracts. Not ideal but you only have so much money to go around. I’m just not sure Strome is a long term solution and I am certainly not giving out a long contract based on one very nice season.

My concern is that these long term answers are not a given for #1 position and generally not close time-wise to becoming NHLers. Lindgren can be a 2nd or 3rd pair so I think there's no harm in "forcing" the situation and acquiring someone who could become either #1 or a strong #2 on the left side. Somewhat similar to how we acquired Trouba while "knowing" that Fox is coming and ADA and Lundkvist developing nicely.

 

[Savant]

Is an ADA/Trouba pairing more or less asinine than Brendan Smith getting top-pairing minutes?

More asinine. I’m not taking DeAngelo out of a role he did very well, to roll the dice. Not that I want Smith there either, but I don’t want to risk DeAngelo being less productive. Just find a LHD Stopgap for a year. It’s not like they don’t have assets to do so.

 

[bobbop]

1. Switching ADA to LD is a huge unknown - you're looking at it as a given.
2. Strome's performance in 3 games after the break (honestly as pretty much anyone on the roster) is akin to extrapolating results based on the first 3 games of regular season. (Buffalo - SC champ). If I were to project for 2020-21 is that Strome would continue to find ways to get puck to Panarin. Shutting him down? Yeah, how did this work workout in 2019-20? Again if you view it through 3 game sample size and no puck luck (#3 and #4 on the best saves on NHL network) there's nothing to discuss.
3. Chytil is center until proven otherwise. Was in this slot the whole season as a 20 year old. That should tell you something.

A nice bit of comic relief here. Buffalo is October’s team every year!

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

A nice bit of comic relief here. Buffalo is October’s team every year!

Every year I see a “watch out for Buffalo” thread in october, and every year I laugh.

 

[Thirty One]

A nice bit of comic relief here. Buffalo is October’s team every year!

Sucks for them no October games this year.

 

[bobbop]

I don’t think anyone in the front office is waiting around to see if our D prospects are ready or to waste a year now that we have Alexis. There will be a move for a LD - as for the expansion draft, I imagine a roster player will go the other way to make it possible... Considering the 3 current D men being kept are Trouba(NMC), Lindgren, and TDA, I think it’s pretty obvious what a deal will look like. Or potentially it could be done with 2 moves - TDA for a 2C and a forward for a 1LD. But I don’t see how TDA is kept.

2 moves...I like your thought process.