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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIX

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Avery16 said:
ADA/Trouba
Lindgren/Fox
Miller/Smith in protected minutes.

Strome was one of the most invisible players in our brief postseason appearance. He was a reclamation project that over performed expectations this season, but cant be thought of as a serious answer for 2C. It waters down our scoring effectiveness. Panarin is doing all the puck possession for that line, and teams know it. You shut him down, the line is basically an impotent 4th line.

If Chytil isnt a center, then our need for C is even greater than I stated.
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Avery16 said:
ADA/Trouba
Lindgren/Fox
Miller/Smith in protected minutes.

Strome was one of the most invisible players in our brief postseason appearance. He was a reclamation project that over performed expectations this season, but cant be thought of as a serious answer for 2C. It waters down our scoring effectiveness. Panarin is doing all the puck possession for that line, and teams know it. You shut him down, the line is basically an impotent 4th line.

If Chytil isnt a center, then our need for C is even greater than I stated.
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There is zero evidence that ADA can play, or will play LHD, especially on a top pairing. Why move him away from where he is most effective? You have to think if that was an option it would have been tried at least once already.

Strome isn’t great but he also centered a Hart finalist. This isn’t the right summer for a big swing at center. Too much uncertainty with cap and expansion draft. Improving the bottom six (at center) would be just as if not more effective in improving the team. Summer 2021 is when you make the big move
 
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DutchShamrock said:
Just a disclaimer that I'm not for this. The cost is $3m in real dollars spread over 2 years. The hit is $5.5m this year and a $1.5m next.

Ottawa has about $40m committed with about 14 spots to fill. If they are prioritizing cost cutting, they could theoretically grab contracts like this and artificially pay way under the floor.

That's the motive. But if that is their aim, they may as well keep Hank and use his full $8.5m hit. Plus they need a starter. Also the league will be all over this if he's bought out and signed here. They weren't happy with Orpik but this is beyond blatant. It won't fly.

And with that many spots to fill Ottawa can acquire good players with sweeteners just to help other teams with their cap.
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I hear you from a competitive stand point but this is the Ottawa M.O. - pay as little actual cash as possible. What I am describing is what happened with Orpik a couple of years ago - it's allowed.
 
I would look to add someone like Sekera or Greene on a short deal. Get passed expansion so you can protect 7 F, 3 D.

You can't fix every problem and until you know who retires, cap is prohibitive in adding the right guy.
 
Avery16 said:
2C need is more pressing. ADA can play LD a season, Miller might be ready soon. Chytil looks less ready for 2C and if he were it just creates a hole at 3C unless we kept Strome and he can do something with wingers not named Panarin. There are better options out there for C, but we can answer LD in-house if need be.
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I don’t see a #1LD for next season in our system. I do see 2 #2Cs potentially.

We have 1 NHL capable LD right now - this makes it pretty clear what our most pressing need is right now.
 
Savant said:
There is zero evidence that ADA can play, or will play LHD, especially on a top pairing. Why move him away from where he is most effective? You have to think if that was an option it would have been tried at least once already.

Strome isn’t great but he also centered a Hart finalist. This isn’t the right summer for a big swing at center. Too much uncertainty with cap and expansion draft. Improving the bottom six (at center) would be just as if not more effective in improving the team. Summer 2021 is when you make the big move
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He saw over 100 minutes on LD this season (he and Fox crushed it as a pair) and played it a ton in Junior.
 
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Avery16 said:
Chytil is going to get a look at 2C and I dont even know that he is a strong 3C. So why wouldn't a strong 3C get a look at 2C over Strome? It stands to reason.
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I am sure that Chytil will get a look at 2C. I am also sure that it will not be to start the year and until he starts to show A LOT more maybe a very, very long way off.
It's better than Smith on the top pair and its better than giving up assets for a temp fill-in, especially one that would almost certainly then require protection in the expansion draft and require us to expose Lindgren, further weakening the position.
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It is debateable if DeAngelo playing on his off side, in the same high leverage situations as Trouba will be better than Smith. Given DeAngelo's defensive issues, I actually kind of doubt it.

I also do not see why you believe that Lindgren will be exposed. I think that it is pretty clear that Trouba, DeAngelo and Lindgren will be protected.
 
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Avery16 said:
ADA/Trouba
Lindgren/Fox
Miller/Smith in protected minutes.

Strome was one of the most invisible players in our brief postseason appearance. He was a reclamation project that over performed expectations this season, but cant be thought of as a serious answer for 2C. It waters down our scoring effectiveness. Panarin is doing all the puck possession for that line, and teams know it. You shut him down, the line is basically an impotent 4th line.

If Chytil isnt a center, then our need for C is even greater than I stated.
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ADA on the left and Smith as a RHD... this shows how bad our defense situation is for next year...
 
Savant said:
There is zero evidence that ADA can play, or will play LHD, especially on a top pairing. Why move him away from where he is most effective? You have to think if that was an option it would have been tried at least once already.
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He played LD in juniors. We only traded Skjei a few months ago. There was no room for experimentation in the return-to-play, but I would be surprised if they don't look at it in training camp.
 
SA16 said:
LD is a significantly more important need than centers. We can get by with weak centers since we are likely to be elite on the wing.
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I don't agree, I think the issue at LD is time related. We have plenty of LD types. They just aren't here yet, they are all coming up still.

Maybe no true #1s in the system but plenty of second pair types, enough that we should be fine when considering our goaltending and future elite wingers.

Conversely we have nearly nothing at center after Chytil. Strome is not a long term option and Zibanejad is 27 with concussion and other injury issues. It's worryingly thin. It needs a couple 2/3 types at least, immediately if they are gonna be types that need to develop.
 
Richter35 said:
I hear you from a competitive stand point but this is the Ottawa M.O. - pay as little actual cash as possible. What I am describing is what happened with Orpik a couple of years ago - it's allowed.
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I get your point, I mean I outlined the savings in my post. And without fans I fully believe Ottawa will cut costs on the roster. I don't think they will have a shortage of suitors trying to dump off various players.

Bettman begrudgingly allowed Orpik because there was no evidence of an arrangement. In his usual style, he embedded a warning in his decision on the matter. How can I have a different interpretation of this deal when every proposal is a pre-arranged trade-> buy out-> signing? In no uncertain terms did Bettman sanctify this kind of hockey deal.
 
Richter35 said:
I hear you from a competitive stand point but this is the Ottawa M.O. - pay as little actual cash as possible. What I am describing is what happened with Orpik a couple of years ago - it's allowed.
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Hank ain't goin to ottawa for his ass to be handed to him nightly.
 
Given that Quinn went into the playoffs with a Smith/Trouba top pairing, I am pretty sure he isnt averse to trying another hail mary like ADA/Trouba.
 
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True Blue said:
I am sure that Chytil will get a look at 2C. I am also sure that it will not be to start the year and until he starts to show A LOT more maybe a very, very long way off.

It is debateable if DeAngelo playing on his off side, in the same high leverage situations as Trouba will be better than Smith. Given DeAngelo's defensive issues, I actually kind of doubt it.

I also do not see why you believe that Lindgren will be exposed. I think that it is pretty clear that Trouba, DeAngelo and Lindgren will be protected.
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With regards to your points:
1. Disagree about Chytil, I think he's ready now (look how well he filled in on the 1st line with Zib out)
2. DeAngelo-Fox would likely be the 2nd pairing, with Lindgren-Trouba taking the heavy defensive matchups
3. Poster is likely saying that Lindgren will be exposed IF we trade for another LHD
 
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True Blue said:
I do not understand the dogma that DeAngelo can switch to the other side. Juniors is NOT the NHL. Playing it in a few very specific situations with Fox is NOT playing it full time and having to defend with a Trouba.

And we all knew that Miller was going to take a while to develop. There is nothing to indicate he will be ready for a regular NHL shift any time soon.
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Not to mention the fact that I don't see how the coaches would have any desire to roll DeAngelo out on the top pair with Trouba given how much of a liability he is defensively.
 
Trxjw said:
Not to mention the fact that I don't see how the coaches would have any desire to roll DeAngelo out on the top pair with Trouba given how much of a liability he is defensively.
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Who better for him to be out there with than Trouba?
 
Love Ada offensively but he is below average defensively and expecting him to play top line minutes on his off side is a quite a reach. Weren't ADA AND Trouba on the ice together when ADA got walked around like a house league player? I'll answer for you, yes they were.
 
Doriva said:
In his mind he probably believes he's good enough to be the starter and that he's worth that money.
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In his head sure...but there come a point when reality needs to take precedent over fantasy
Itd nothing personal
Hes just not the guy anymore
It happens
 
I wouldn't be opposed to trying DeAngelo on the left as he has played there before, but I would be really hesitant to pair him with Trouba. I think Trouba needs a more "safe" partner. Morrissey, who Trouba excelled with, is a great skater and really good moving the puck both by transporting it and passing it. But, he's also really reliable in his own end. He is more of a traditional two-way defenseman whereas DeAngelo is your more prototypical offensive defenseman. Trouba needs to be paired with someone that doesn't take a lot of risks and can be counted on to make smart plays, which allows Trouba to roam around a bit more, open up his physical game, and get involved up front.

The Skjei-Trouba pairing sucked because Brady is a moron who was always doing idiotic things both on and off the puck, and Trouba was too much of a gambler himself to cover for Skjei's mistakes (and Brady as incapable of covering for Trouba). To make the most of Trouba you need to find him another Morrissey. That is NOT DeAngelo. Even an Anton Stralman-type would be great next to Trouba.
 
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KreiderBomb said:
Love Ada offensively but he is below average defensively and expecting him to play top line minutes on his off side is a quite a reach. Weren't ADA AND Trouba on the ice together when ADA got walked around like a house league player? I'll answer for you, yes they were.
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Seems more conservative an approach than to move assets for another question mark for the top pairing, one that would probably also require protection in the expansion draft and require us to expose Lindgren.
 
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