Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIX

[kovazub94]

And that's fine, I have no problem with that at all. I think that's very realistic and I very much support the concept that sometimes a guy is worth more to your roster than he is as a trade chip.

I would just caution against the belief, primarily of fans, that holding onto Georgiev is related to the belief that his trade value is likely to increase. I'd say it's more likely to stay the same, or even decrease if we're looking at it through that prism.

Agree with bolded. Once they make it an "independent" 3-goalie decision that Lundqvist is an odd man out, the decision to keep or move Gergiev is based on what the team's needs are for Shesterkin backup.

 

[Rangers394]

I'm gonna catch crap most likely but to hell with it
If he really cares about the organization he will retire and free up that cap space...anything else will be selfish.
If he forces them to buy him out, selfish
If he stays as an 8.5 million back up, selfish.
He can retire and make whatever Frolunda will pay him, not to mention hes a rich man.
Hes not winning a cup here.
So Hank needs to ask himself does he care more about the Rangers or himself.
There I said it

I would stay another year and get another 8.5 million. f*** the team in that scenario, or any team in general

 

[kovazub94]

If I'm thinking long term here, I already have a backup for DeAngelo if I decide to trade him. I do not have a center to replace Strome if I trade him or let his contract expire. That's a critical need for a critical position. If Chytil grows into the second line role, then I still need another center, maybe two. That's my priority right now.

Yes, I know the team needs short term help on left defense right now. You can buy that. The calvary is on the way, they just haven't arrived yet.

How would you rank priorities if you include LD into consideration?

 

[Savant]

Compare Chytil to Zibanejad at the same age.

That Doesn’t answer the question. What is Chytil’s best tool?

 

[mas0764]

Was the article already posted in here that the Sens owner basically no "nah" to the idea of trading the 3 and 5 for 1OA?

That should about end any discussion on trading the pick.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

That Doesn’t answer the question. What is Chytil’s best tool?

His skating probably. He also has nice dekes and a hard shot. Great size too. His weaknesses are his IQ, his puck control, and his passing. Lol.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Was the article already posted in here that the Sens owner basically no "nah" to the idea of trading the 3 and 5 for 1OA?

That should about end any discussion on trading the pick.

until LA puts the kibosh on 2 OA+ for 1, we can still discuss it

 

[Thirty One]

until LA puts the kibosh on 2 OA+ for 1, we can still discuss it

Lots of rumors of Montreal being interested for Ryder, Halak and a 2nd.

 

[kovazub94]

That Doesn’t answer the question. What is Chytil’s best tool?

Size, speed, hockey smarts, hands, board work. He got 1C / 2C tweener written all over him (and maybe more) and that's why I told you to look at Zibanejad at the same age. Sorry if you can't see it.

 

[Richter35]

NMC

if ottawa is amenable and hank wants to play in NYC and do the team a solid (he can just sign with them after the buy out) I think he would not have a problem waiving. The point is I wonder if options such as these are being explored. lot of ink has been spilled on trade or buy out hank, this is another way to approach.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I would stay another year and get another 8.5 million. f*** the team in that scenario, or any team in general

It’s actually 5.5 mil not that it matters to us peasants

 

[Avery16]

if ottawa is amenable and hank wants to play in NYC and do the team a solid (he can just sign with them after the buy out) I think he would not have a problem waiving. The point is I wonder if options such as these are being explored. lot of ink has been spilled on trade or buy out hank, this is another way to approach.

There are provisions in place to prevent end-runs like that, I believe.

 

[nyr2k2]

I think that's where I am little confused myself.

I don't see Georgiev as a long-term investment that is going to increase in value. Not unless something dramatic happens to Shesterkin.

In other words, I don't see him getting into 40 games next season and taking his trade return up a tier.

I think the gamble for an interested team right now is that he could be a starter, and maybe you can grab him for a second round and maybe a little more.

But I don't know if staying with the Rangers makes him any more of "potential starter" a year from now. Even if he has a great year, I still think your return is a second and maybe slightly more than you'd get this year. I also think the odds of his value slipping, are probably slightly higher than the odds of his value increasing.

Exactly my thinking. I feel it's a risk to hold onto Georgiev with little potential upside. Much more downside.

 

[SA16]

LD is a significantly more important need than centers. We can get by with weak centers since we are likely to be elite on the wing.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Who is this mystery back up D for DeAngelo?


LD should be priority #1, bar none. We have Lindgren who is solid, Smith who is basically replacement level and Staal who is bottom of the barrel bad. Even if there is depth at the position in the minors, it's going to take a lot of time before any of those guys are ready to contribute and effectively eat top 4 minutes. I think its possible we see K'Andre at some point next year, but hes likely going to be doing the bottom pair/limited PK duty for the foreseeable future. Even if hes better than expected sooner than later, I'd still want a quality veteran who can eat top pair minutes and PK effectively. I'm not interested in forcing a kid into that role, defense is way to difficult of a position to do that at this level and not everyone is Adam Fox.

I'm much, much, much more comfortable with Zibanejad-Strome-Chytil down the middle 1-2-3 than I am with Lindgren-Smith-Staal.

 

[Thirty One]

if ottawa is amenable and hank wants to play in NYC and do the team a solid (he can just sign with them after the buy out) I think he would not have a problem waiving. The point is I wonder if options such as these are being explored. lot of ink has been spilled on trade or buy out hank, this is another way to approach.

What are we giving Ottawa, who pays their GM in Bennigans coupons, to convince them to pay out that money?

 

[duhmetreE]

Who is this mystery back up D for DeAngelo?


LD should be priority #1, bar none. We have Lindgren who is solid, Smith who is basically replacement level and Staal who is bottom of the barrel bad. Even if there is depth at the position in the minors, it's going to take a lot of time before any of those guys are ready to contribute and effectively eat top 4 minutes. I think its possible we see K'Andre at some point next year, but hes likely going to be doing the bottom pair/limited PK duty for the foreseeable future. Even if hes better than expected sooner than later, I'd still want a quality veteran who can eat top pair minutes and PK effectively. I'm not interested in forcing a kid into that role, defense is way to difficult of a position to do that at this level and not everyone is Adam Fox.

I'm much, much, much more comfortable with Zibanejad-Strome-Chytil down the middle 1-2-3 than I am with Lindgren-Smith-Staal.

Like saying I'm more comfortable getting my tooth drilled without anesthetic than getting my toe nails plied off.

 

[Avery16]

2C need is more pressing. ADA can play LD a season, Miller might be ready soon. Chytil looks less ready for 2C and if he were it just creates a hole at 3C unless we kept Strome and he can do something with wingers not named Panarin. There are better options out there for C, but we can answer LD in-house if need be.

 

[Savant]

Size, speed, hockey smarts, hands, board work. He got 1C / 2C tweener written all over him (and maybe more) and that's why I told you to look at Zibanejad at the same age. Sorry if you can't see it.

I don’t see it. I don’t even think he can stick at C. I don’t agree but hope you are right.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Who is this mystery back up D for DeAngelo?


LD should be priority #1, bar none. We have Lindgren who is solid, Smith who is basically replacement level and Staal who is bottom of the barrel bad. Even if there is depth at the position in the minors, it's going to take a lot of time before any of those guys are ready to contribute and effectively eat top 4 minutes. I think its possible we see K'Andre at some point next year, but hes likely going to be doing the bottom pair/limited PK duty for the foreseeable future. Even if hes better than expected sooner than later, I'd still want a quality veteran who can eat top pair minutes and PK effectively. I'm not interested in forcing a kid into that role, defense is way to difficult of a position to do that at this level and not everyone is Adam Fox.

I'm much, much, much more comfortable with Zibanejad-Strome-Chytil down the middle 1-2-3 than I am with Lindgren-Smith-Staal.

Just for one more season at most though.

 

[DanielBrassard]

What are we giving Ottawa, who pays their GM in Bennigans coupons, to convince them to pay out that money?

Detroit or LA would be much more likely if that was going to be an option.

 

[Savant]

2C need is more pressing. ADA can play LD a season, Miller might be ready soon. Chytil looks less ready for 2C and if he were it just creates a hole at 3C unless we kept Strome and he can do something with wingers not named Panarin. There are better options out there for C, but we can answer LD in-house if need be.

I don’t agree with any of this post.

• 2C they can get away with Strome one more year
• Miller might be ready soon but unlikely for top pair, which is where the hole is. You can put him on 3rd pair but not sure how I feel about a Miller-DeAngelo pairing
• Don’t think Chytil is a center. Don’t think he even gets a shot there.
  
• Don’t see anyone in house that can make a good pairing with Trouba over a whole season.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Like saying I'm more comfortable getting my tooth drilled without anesthetic than getting my toe nails plied off.

For you maybe, but I've always held the opinion that center depth is overrated AF.

Let me rephrase it this way: We need a big minute eating D who actually limits scoring chances, doesn't murder transition and can kill penalties way more than we need another forward, center or wing.

Faceoff and PK specialists are guys who can be acquired for cheap and loaded up on your 4th line if those are things that worry you.

I guess it's a matter of would you rather go into the season with Strome at 2c and an Ekholm type addition on the blue line or an upgrade on Strome and Staal+Smith on defense?

 

[Rangers394]

For you maybe, but I've always held the opinion that center depth is overrated AF.

Let me rephrase it this way: We need a big minute eating D who actually limits scoring chances, doesn't murder transition and can kill penalties way more than we need another forward, center or wing.

Faceoff and PK specialists are guys who can be acquired for cheap and loaded up on your 4th line if those are things that worry you.

I guess it's a matter of would you rather go into the season with Strome at 2c and an Ekholm type addition on the blue line or an upgrade on Strome and Staal+Smith on defense?

Agreed. If this playoffs had told us anything, it's that dmen who can eat minutes and do a little bit of everything are extremely valuable and i think that should be the priority over another center like you said

 

[DanielBrassard]

if ottawa is amenable and hank wants to play in NYC and do the team a solid (he can just sign with them after the buy out) I think he would not have a problem waiving. The point is I wonder if options such as these are being explored. lot of ink has been spilled on trade or buy out hank, this is another way to approach.

Doubt the NHL would allow that to happen, they weren't very thrilled about Washington using the same loophole with Orpik a couple seasons ago.