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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIV

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NYR Viper said:
Yes please, would totally be on board with this
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Vegas is ripe for the picking. They have a bunch of RFAs to sign and David Clarkson is taking up a lot of space. Miller is a good player, but if we save them enough money without too bad of a downgrade, I think there could be a deal there.
 
Dr Chin Richalds said:
Vegas is ripe for the picking. They have a bunch of RFAs to sign and David Clarkson is taking up a lot of space. Miller is a good player, but if we save them enough money without too bad of a downgrade, I think there could be a deal there.
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Nathan Horton's contract has been discussed as well from Toronto as they could use the off-season cap space
 
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RangerBoy said:


The outside is the media and fans.

JD will be more hands on than Sather but he allows the GM make the decisions. That's how it was in St. Louis and Columbus.
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Was thinking about this all week.

Media still thinks Karlsson or Panarin...or even Duchene is a good move. Ive heard all three mentioned so far.

The fans, it really depends. Initially i though most of the posters here were completly on board for a total rebuild. To me, that means passing on the high priced free agent. But the polls here were very telling though. They tell another story. Majority wants the UFA's still. I guess its just the more vocal or maybe more frequent posters that want to continue the rebuild. The silent majority it appears wants UFA's still.

Outside of HFBoards, is a vastly different world of Rangers fans. Every text i get from friends and family or whatever seems to be about Karlsson, Panarin or still trading for Evgeny Malkin. Ride the rails in, and you will hear much different conversations then you will find here on threads. Office talk for fellow Rangers fans is all about bringing in the "next guy". I agree with JD on the below. I also think it's a daunting task getting the fans of the NY Rangers to have proper resolve in understanding what a Rebuild truly means.

You need a little bit of luck at times, but it’s hard work, it’s patience, it’s having the proper resolve to understand that there’s going to be a lot of people that are going to want to do things differently, who are on the outside.


Last years Quinn described how the teams wants to be successful. He came up with one word. "Relentless!"
For Gorton and JD they need to come up with one sentence. "Stay the Course!"
 
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eco's bones said:
Boston is probably going to win a Cup this year. Of recent prospects I suppose you could call Pasternak (25OA) or McAvoy (14OA) blue chip but neither of them was even close to being a top 5 pick. Edmonton and Buffalo have had tons of top 5 picks. Picking early and often doesn't always work out the way people suppose.
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This has been hashed and rehashed and eaten and crapped out then ingested and crapped again. We all know that picking higher and more often does have a higher percentage of working. Pretending otherwise and using it as grounds to be a bubble team is completely foolish. Making wise choices is paramount but being able to make those choices before other teams do is more important.
 
That's a really bad contract. Exactly the type of guy not to sign long term for big money. So what is Hayes going to get then? Hayes is much better.
 
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That term is atrocious. Salary isn't too bad, but you do not want to lock into him for 6 years. 4 sounds about right.

Difference between him and Kreider, Nelson is a C. Plays a more premium position.
 
That contract is so f***ing bad lmao

Nelson is one of the most uninspiring players I’ve ever seen. He’s a dud.
 
Faceless said:
Actually, that was part of my assertion in my post. Regardless, the argument you are making is apples to oranges. Chicago had Toews and Kane. The Pens had Malkin and Crosby. Hossa and Kessel were brought in as supplemental players.

Gaborik wasn't meant to be a supplemental offensive player. He was 'the guy.' Panarin will be the #1 offensive player on this team when he is brought in. Also, their cap hits are much different. Hossa was on a rigged contract. Kessel is at 6.8 per year.

When you sign a guy to 11 Mil per year, who will be your #1 offensive player, you are changing the dynamic of the team. He will undoubtedly be one of two or three players you are building the squad around.

I don't really understand how anyone can argue differently.

Whether you're for or against Panarin, this is pretty clear. And in fact, those who want to sign him, should be even more in agreement with this, because clearly they should view him as a game changer to want to invest so much.
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We don’t always agree but this post is spot on.
 
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Dr Chin Richalds said:
Vegas is ripe for the picking. They have a bunch of RFAs to sign and David Clarkson is taking up a lot of space. Miller is a good player, but if we save them enough money without too bad of a downgrade, I think there could be a deal there.
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I'd be all in on Miller for Shattenkirk at 50% retained and a reasonable add, but that would only save Vegas half a million, and saving money is their only motivation for that trade.
 
Dr Chin Richalds said:
What about Colin Miller in Vegas?

26 years old, decent contract for 3 more years, Right D man,

What would it take to get him?

we would have to take salary,

something around...

Miller & Clarkson's remaining year for Shatty

Vegas saves ~2.5M on the cap

add picks to even it out? Retain on Shatty to make it more palatable?
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Pionk straight up. I proposed this yesterday.
 
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For those thinking we'll just have another high pick next season, I don't see us in the bottom 5 or even 7 next season. Maybe 10-12th.

Even without Zucc and Hayes last season, we still beat the Blues, Toronto, and Pittsburgh at the end of the season. Now we're adding Kakko, Kratsov, plus another year of development for Chytil, Anderson, and Howden. Maybe Buch continues or even improves his play from the end of the season. Just adding Kakko and Kratsov upgrades the bums we had in the bottom six .

On defense, although far from finished products, we're adding some talented rookies (if they get the chance to play). It has to be an improvement from last year. Plus another year of development for ADA.

In net, we have some goalies capable of stealing games. Not to mention a coach that stress hard work and effort. We may not be a playoff team, but I think we'll be better than last season.
 
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See this Nelson deal is the type of deal where ok maybe it's market value for his type of player but the market value for these guys is way off and they very often end up as being poor value. And thus it is far better to trade these guys/let them go than give them this sort of contract.
 
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