Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIV

[haohmaru]

idk anyone's thoughts on this really but I'd take Hayes back, though I doubt this is at all a possiblity.

I think that ship has sailed unfortunately.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

idk anyone's thoughts on this really but I'd take Hayes back, though I doubt this is at all a possiblity.

No thanks...mediocre 50 point player who will be likely be 3rd line on this team in a year or 2.

 

[Leetch3]

 

[bobbop]

idk anyone's thoughts on this really but I'd take Hayes back, though I doubt this is at all a possiblity.

It's not impossible but it is unlikely

 

[GAGLine]

Who is going to replace the speed for Rangers top 6 w/out #20?
Can Hayes play a #Relentless style of Hockey?

Trade for Gusev. Vegas has cap issues and will have a hard time signing both Gusev and Karlsson. Gusev is an RFA. Give him a 2 year deal. If they need some cap space, swap Vesey@50% for Eakin. Saves them about 2.7 mil. Or Beleskey@50% if they want someone for their bottom 6. His cap hit would be zero if they bury him.

 

[Raspewtin]

No thanks...mediocre 50 point player who will be likely be 3rd line on this team in a year or 2.

Think calling Hayes mediocre is unfair, he does a lot of things well with limited ES ice time.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I honestly dont think I know what we have with regards to the dmen that played last year. I'm watching Skjei at the world's and he is leading the US team in minutes and playing really well, even if they did lose. I mean they have him playing more minutes than Suter so maybe Ruff is the issue and we might need to let things play out before making too many decisions on d.

I tend to see it similarly. I don't think they remove many more core guys, maybe just Kreider. And skjei doesn't get moved on a futures deal. Just not enough depth back there.

 

[TheTakedown]

I think there could be some rumblings between Hank and JD. I would not be surprised if there is a rift between the teams goals and Hanks goals(a new contract). JD comes across as someone who will do the right thing and if it means clashing with Hank so be it. My guess is Hank forces a move.

Any basis to this or is it all speculation?

 

[effen]

Any basis to this or is it all speculation?

he said he'd need to have a long convo with Hank this summer to align their goals which makes sense since he's been on the job for like 4 days or something and Hank's been doing stuff.

anything else is speculation

 

[TheTakedown]

I don't mean to sound rude, but this response to my post and the one I quoted has really nothing to do with the general points being made (either by me or @kovazub94).

I also find these types of arguments really strange. considering we just went through a ten year span where we literally spent off-seasons trying to figure out how to create 1-2M in extra cap space to fit a team under the limit.

If Panarin signs at 11Mil Per, it will be 4.2 million more than Kessel. That's an enormous difference. It was just something I was pointing out to further expose that the situations with Chicago signing Hossa and the Pens getting Kessel are really not comparable to the one in which the Rangers sign Panarin this off-season.

Guys, Kessel is signed for $8M, toronto simply retained 15% when they sent him to PIT.

$8M vs $11M -- The difference is covered in via inflation of an expanding cap

 

[DanielBrassard]

Think calling Hayes mediocre is unfair, he does a lot of things well with limited ES ice time.

100%. He's far from mediocre

 

[haohmaru]

Think calling Hayes mediocre is unfair, he does a lot of things well with limited ES ice time.

He's a 2C on a bad/mediocre team and a 3C on a good/great team. Nothing wrong with that. He's just not a fit at what his next contract will call for.

 

[Ola]

idk anyone's thoughts on this really but I'd take Hayes back, though I doubt this is at all a possiblity.

I was thinking the other day how Hayes possibly could be a really good center for Kakko.

If we want to get better fast, getting Hayes is probably one of the better options. Should we do it? That is a totally different question. You create all kinds of log-jam issues.

But just for the sake of argument, I don’t think something like this would be totally unreasonable.

1. Sign Hayes

2. Resign Kreider

3. Trade Chytil, Pionk and 20 for Trouba

Kravy-Ziba-Buch
Kreider-Hayes-Kakko
Lemieux-Howden-Fast
Names-Boo-Vesey
Staal-Trouba
Skjei-Fox/Shatty
Smith-TDA
Geo
Hank

Lias in HFD. But then you can ask — what kind of young offensive depth up front do we really have? Kravy and Kakko and Lias and? But sure, it’s a younger team than when we started this whole thing. Names, Vesey, Smith, Hank, Shatty and Staal of the books after 2 years.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I was thinking the other day how Hayes possibly could be a really good center for Kakko.

If we want to get better fast, getting Hayes is probably one of the better options. Should we do it? That is a totally different question. You create all kinds of log-jam issues.

But just for the sake of argument, I don’t think something like this would be totally unreasonable.

1. Sign Hayes

2. Resign Kreider

3. Trade Chytil, Pionk and 20 for Trouba

Kravy-Ziba-Buch
Kreider-Hayes-Kakko
Lemieux-Howden-Fast
Names-Boo-Vesey
Staal-Trouba
Skjei-Fox/Shatty
Smith-TDA
Geo
Hank

Lias in HFD. But then you can ask — what kind of young offensive depth up front do we really have? Kravy and Kakko and Lias and? But sure, it’s a younger team than when we started this whole thing. Names, Vesey, Smith, Hank, Shatty and Staal of the books after 2 years.

No, no and hell no.

We need to move on from the guys we’ve traded.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Hayes would be a long term commitment for a short term issue. Big pass.

 

[Ola]

Just lookd at the Wild's Cap situation.

Suter and Parise have a whopping 6 more years on their contracts at identical cap hits of $7,538,461. Both are still producing at 34 years old, however...At some point that is likely going to hit a brick wall.

They aren’t making any money soon, they will retire and the contracts are off the books. They are total circumvention contracts...

 

[Ola]

Hayes would be a long term commitment for a short term issue. Big pass.

Yeah I agree, was just painting up a scenario.

The biggest problem I have is however not cost and age — it’s that I am not sold on having a center with his size.

Even if Panarin is an offensive force, he isn’t a true bus driver either.

 

[Draft Guru]

They aren’t making any money soon, they will retire and the contracts are off the books. They are total circumvention contracts...

Wrong.

Those contracts were signed before the new CBA in 2013. Minnesota will be hit with cap recapture penalties shall they retire early.

NHL Insider: Parise, Suter contracts might cost Wild down the line

But like Hossa, maybe they develop allergies to their equipment and spend the rest of their years on LTIR....

 

[Kocur Dill]

Trade for Gusev. Vegas has cap issues and will have a hard time signing both Gusev and Karlsson. Gusev is an RFA. Give him a 2 year deal. If they need some cap space, swap Vesey@50% for Eakin. Saves them about 2.7 mil. Or Beleskey@50% if they want someone for their bottom 6. His cap hit would be zero if they bury him.

If Hank is here, will he be happy to see Eakin in the locker room every day?

 

[ETTER DE]

I honestly dont think I know what we have with regards to the dmen that played last year. I'm watching Skjei at the world's and he is leading the US team in minutes and playing really well, even if they did lose. I mean they have him playing more minutes than Suter so maybe Ruff is the issue and we might need to let things play out before making too many decisions on d.

Have not watched the matches but maybe he has better partners? Skjei have been paired with 3rd pairing guys his whole career.

 

[LORDE]

Guys, Kessel is signed for $8M, toronto simply retained 15% when they sent him to PIT.

$8M vs $11M -- The difference is covered in via inflation of an expanding cap

Yes.

And we don’t want Kessel for 8M or anyone else for 11/7 so yeah.

 

[LORDE]

No, no and hell no.

We need to move on from the guys we’ve traded.

Like how many times do we have to say this??????

Maybe we can coax Nash outta retirement???

Maybe we can trade the WPG 1st to DAL for the rights to Zucc? Too late? Oh. Damn

 

[CasusBelli]

Now THAT is overpayment.

 

[Avery16]

Any basis to this or is it all speculation?

Take a wild guess

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Think calling Hayes mediocre is unfair, he does a lot of things well with limited ES ice time.

You said it,he does a lot of things well, nothing really elite outside of maybe holding onto the puck too long lol. He is a good player to have on an entry level deal, but not for 6 or 7 mill a year. I may have come across as not liking Hayes but that's not true, I just dont think he is a 2nd center on this team in 2 years. A team like Montreal could really get some use out of him as they have always needed a bigger center. Time to move on from what didnt work in the past, I'll include Vesey and maybe Fast in that conversation.