Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIII

[Avery16]

If the Rangers choose Girardi over Stralman again, I'll scream.

Both bad options at this point, so the argument is beyond moot

 

[Avery16]

I know everybody hates Ristolainen but I think he could potentially be a quality reclamation project. Could see him flourishing outside of the pit of hell known as Buffalo.

Seems like a solid top-4 D at 24, what is there to reclaim?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Seems like a solid top-4 D at 24, what is there to reclaim?

He isn't very good at defense.

I'd take a shot on him too, getting out of Buffalo may help him and he's got the size and bite we need on the right side.

 

[Avery16]

He isn't very good at defense.

I'd take a shot on him too, getting out of Buffalo may help him and he's got the size and bite we need on the right side.

What good is size and bite if it doesn’t translate to effective defense?
I also don’t know that Buffalo would move a 40-pt D on “reclamation project” pricing

 

[Bob Richards]

Rasmus is probably the 4th forward people claimed to hate about Yandle or Karlsson.

 

[Bob Richards]

This is unrelated but on IcyData.hockey I found possibly the most essential Keith Yandle graph in analytics history.

 

[Alluckks]

This is unrelated but on IcyData.hockey I found possibly the most essential Keith Yandle graph in analytics history.

Say what you want about the man, but you can't knock that kind of consistency

 

[Bob Richards]

Say what you want about the man, but you can't knock that kind of consistency

Can't wait to see where it goes in 2019. If the past is any indicator then I have a couple of hunches.

 

[RangerBoy]

Don Lagreca and EJ Hradek discussed JD coming back to NY and the impact on the Rangers at the 14 minute mark.

JD is on board with the rebuild plan started by Gorton & Drury.

Unless Panarin falls into the Rangers lap, the Rangers won't be doing much with big name free agents.

JD can sell the Rangers steady approach to the fans if the Rangers miss the playoffs a few more times.

They discussed Panarin and his free agent status later on after Roy and Ottawa.

My view is Shattenkirk fell into the Rangers laps. He took less money and term to play in NY. Unless Panarin grew up in Russia as a big Ranger fan, he is not taking less to play in New York. Shattenkirk is from here and wanted to play at home. He took less. Much less.

 

[ETTER DE]

Don Lagreca and EJ Hradek discussed JD coming back to NY and the impact on the Rangers at the 14 minute mark.

JD is on board with the rebuild plan started by Gorton & Drury.

Unless Panarin falls into the Rangers lap, the Rangers won't be doing much with big name free agents.

JD can sell the Rangers steady approach to the fans if the Rangers miss the playoffs a few more times.

They discussed Panarin and his free agent status later on after Roy and Ottawa.

My view is Shattenkirk fell into the Rangers laps. He took less money and term to play in NY. Unless Panarin grew up in Russia as a big Ranger fan, he is not taking less to play in New York. Shattenkirk is from here and wanted to play at home. He took less. Much less.

Hopefully Gorton has a better plan this time than just sign players that "fall from the threes". Identify the players you really want, and get them, even if you have to overpay to win the auction. It is not about winning the trades, its all about creating the best team possible.

 

[eco's bones]

Other than Panarin there isn't much in it for us with the other big name free agents. Erik Karlsson has been a physical wreck the last couple seasons. Matt Duchene is a good player but he forced his way out of Colorado and more or less did the same with Ottawa--he fights his teams over contracts and has a tendency to slump when he's not getting his way. Karlsson and Duchene are not players I would want the Rangers to go after.

I expect the Rangers will be a better team next year. If the only reason the Rangers have for signing JD is to sell losing as a good idea to Rangers fans they shouldn't have bothered bringing him back.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

So, to simplify, the plan above is to hope that somebody above turns into a Trouba and, if they don't, then hope a Trouba-like player is available in two years?

If Trouba is available now and the cost is the 20th and Buchnevich, I do that all day long and twice on gameday. RD is the toughest skating position in the sport to find talented players for.

And, honestly, anyone can get injured at any time so I'm not going to speculate about future health for any player unless there are health issues known before the trade.

You misconstrued my point, which is that Trouba likely won't be the same player he was last year when we're ready to compete. So we should save the assets and apply them when necessary (assuming one of our prospects doeesn't emerge as a top pairing RD).

I don't think Trouba is as great as people make him out to be. I realize he'll cost a lot and this package probably won't even be enough, but I'm not interested in sacrificing assets for a player like him, who will possibly be entering his downside by the time we're ready to compete.

If you assume we are competing in 2-3 years...Trouba will be 28 or 29, with a lengthy injury history. We just watched multiple D-Men - Klein, Staal, Girardi, etc. - hit major walls as they entered their late 20's. I'd rather not give another long-term commitment to a guy who could be entering a downswing once we're ready to compete.

Also, while injuries can appear at anytime, they are more likely to do so with players who have histories of them. So I think it's accurate to speculate under such a scenario. Which is why I would be against signing EK.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Other than Panarin there isn't much in it for us with the other big name free agents. Erik Karlsson has been a physical wreck the last couple seasons. Matt Duchene is a good player but he forced his way out of Colorado and more or less did the same with Ottawa--he fights his teams over contracts and has a tendency to slump when he's not getting his way. Karlsson and Duchene are not players I would want the Rangers to go after.

I expect the Rangers will be a better team next year. If the only reason the Rangers have for signing JD is to sell losing as a good idea to Rangers fans they shouldn't have bothered bringing him back.

We lost and are now gonna draft Kakko. They don’t need JD to sell losing as a good idea. Nor do they even need to sell it.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

We lost and are now gonna draft Kakko. They don’t need JD to sell losing as a good idea. Nor do they even need to sell it.

This is the best chance we've had in years to develop a stud offensive player.

Kakko/Hughes
Kravtsov

Chytil

 

[TheBloodyNine]

This is the best chance we've had in years to develop a stud offensive player.

Kakko/Hughes
Kravtsov

Chytil

And if we’re bad again next year, add another high end stud. Byfield would be a dream.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Don Lagreca and EJ Hradek discussed JD coming back to NY and the impact on the Rangers at the 14 minute mark.

JD is on board with the rebuild plan started by Gorton & Drury.

Unless Panarin falls into the Rangers lap, the Rangers won't be doing much with big name free agents.

JD can sell the Rangers steady approach to the fans if the Rangers miss the playoffs a few more times.

They discussed Panarin and his free agent status later on after Roy and Ottawa.

My view is Shattenkirk fell into the Rangers laps. He took less money and term to play in NY. Unless Panarin grew up in Russia as a big Ranger fan, he is not taking less to play in New York. Shattenkirk is from here and wanted to play at home. He took less. Much less.

Thought this was Guy Fieri for a second

 

[East Coast Bias]

We lost and are now gonna draft Kakko. They don’t need JD to sell losing as a good idea. Nor do they even need to sell it.

Jumping up to 2nd was great, but has knowingly brought this kind of thinking. It was a great result, but it's foolish to bank on this happening again.

Ask the Knicks.

 

[RangerBoy]

Other than Panarin there isn't much in it for us with the other big name free agents. Erik Karlsson has been a physical wreck the last couple seasons. Matt Duchene is a good player but he forced his way out of Colorado and more or less did the same with Ottawa--he fights his teams over contracts and has a tendency to slump when he's not getting his way. Karlsson and Duchene are not players I would want the Rangers to go after.

I expect the Rangers will be a better team next year. If the only reason the Rangers have for signing JD is to sell losing as a good idea to Rangers fans they shouldn't have bothered bringing him back.

The Rangers had the fewest regulation and OT wins in the NHL this past season. 26 ROW. Take away the gimmick points and the Rangers were the worst team in the NHL. They can't be much worse.

The Rangers need to see what they have in their young guys. Forget about the wins and losses. I know the guys from the Post don't think much of Andersson. The Rangers need to give Andersson an opportunity. He played just 49 NHL games. The same thing with Chytil and Howden. More ice time and more responsibility. Kakko(the Devils are taking Hughes) and Kravtsov will be on the team. That's a lot of young players. The Rangers are rebuilding. The young guys will improve with more ice time.

Andersson split the season between the NHL and AHL. Chytil was shifted all over the lineup. One game Chytil played 4th line center. The next game Chytil played 2nd line right wing. Howden received more steady ice time than the other two players. He went 4 months between goals and missed a month with a knee injury. All of them will be a year older. Quinn needs play all of them more.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Jumping up to 2nd was great, but has knowingly brought this kind of thinking. It was a great result, but it's foolish to bank on this happening again.

Ask the Knicks.

Many Knicks fans assumed they were getting the first, which is stupid and not founded in any logic especially with the change in this years drawing. But they are still going to get a great player at #3.

I don't think his point was to bank on getting a 1OA or 2OA, but that we can give ourselves a chance to net another great player (even if it's at #5 or #6).

I also think he is alluding to the fact that KK can be a guy who we can sell, rather than signing overpaid FA's to market to the fans.

 

[kovazub94]

And six weeks ago there was no undeniable franchise talent in the pipeline at forward. So a lot can change when the opportunity arises. I don't think wanting to be cautious about rushing to fill immediate needs because of the long-term outlook is anymore disingenuous than assuming a top RD is a position that can't be filled from within.

Until this year Trouba was an oft-injured, 20-30 point defensemen. One good season isn't any kind of assurance that he's the right investment.

I think it's more disingenuous to count on lucking out in a draft two years in a row to build the team.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

The Rangers had the fewest regulation and OT wins in the NHL this past season. 26 ROW. Take away the gimmick points and the Rangers were the worst team in the NHL. They can't be much worse.

The Rangers need to see what they have in their young guys. Forget about the wins and losses. I know the guys from the Post don't think much of Andersson. The Rangers need to give Andersson an opportunity. He played just 49 NHL games. The same thing with Chytil and Howden. More ice time and more responsibility. Kakko(the Devils are taking Hughes) and Kravtsov will be on the team. That's a lot of young players. The Rangers are rebuilding. The young guys will improve with more ice time.

Andersson split the season between the NHL and AHL. Chytil was shifted all over the lineup. One game Chytil played 4th line center. The next game Chytil played 2nd line right wing. Howden received more steady ice time than the other two players. He went 4 months between goals and missed a month with a knee injury. All of them will be a year older. Quinn needs play all of them more.

Good Post. I'd just also add to the first section that most of the season was also played with Hayes and Zucc who were performing at relatively high levels for some of it. The team was noticeably worse after their departure (as was Kreider).

 

[Player big P]

This is unrelated but on IcyData.hockey I found possibly the most essential Keith Yandle graph in analytics history.

That's an alarming trend

 

[Ola]

That's an alarming trend

We have had some prospects that I bet would give up anything to have that development...

(too soon?)

 

[egelband]

This is unrelated but on IcyData.hockey I found possibly the most essential Keith Yandle graph in analytics history.

Yes but, you know what they say: Past performance is not an indicator of future results.

 

[Beacon]

Clear cap space by trading for picks:
Namestnikov
Shattenkirk (some salary retained)
Vesey

Buyout
Brendan Smith

Sign as UFA’s
Panarin - 10m AAV
Karlsson - 9.5m AAV

Resign RFA’s
Buchnevich - 4m AAV
Claesson - 1m AAV
Deangelo - 2.5m AAV
Lemieux - 1.35m AAV

Seems to fit under the cap

Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
Andersson-Howden-Strome
Lemieux-Nieves-Fast

Skjei-Karlsson
Staal-Deangelo
Claesson-Fox

Lundqvist
Georgiev

Talk about a team going nowhere. Not improving the future and barely good enough to make the playoffs. The highlight of the next 7 years will be a couple first round playoff losses, as the team slides from mediocre to outright bad between 2020 and 2026.