Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLIII

[Jaromir Jagr]

They’re still lacking that bigger RHD that can eat pucks and contribute significantly on the PK. Plus, a stout defensive dman could really help Pionk round out his game and be fully ready for top-pairing minutes, maybe even 25-27 min a game.

There’s a guy that’ll be on the market this summer that will be perfect for this role. His name? Dan Girardi.

I know this is serious, but it would be a great troll if you weren't.

 

[ETTER DE]

For example this post. You don't even realize how condescending it is for you to say, welp, 'Faceless' posts just shut down the board. It's so over the top and unnecessary and literally adds nothing to the conversation. Nowhere did I say that my opinion is the right one. Nor did I try to attack those who had differing opinions. I simply stated my response to another poster's opinion. Something we do all day around here.

And I don't even understand the reference to my username. Maybe this is the reason you react so negatively to my on-topic posts. For whatever reason, you really hate my username, which actually has no meaning to me other than it was anonymous and that's what I prefer to be on a message board. But personally attacking that is an unnecessary act that comes off as hostile.

Like I just don't get it how you don't see that you're being kinda rude.

Why are you moaning? Only two days ago you called me ignorant...

 

[ETTER DE]

Would Florida try to acquire Panarin in a sign and trade? Panarin would get the 8th year in that scenario. Columbus recoups some of the draft picks they lost at the deadline. The free agency talking period begins on June 23. Craig Custance mentioned that a possibility in his free agency feature today.

The Panthers are the front runners for his services. Quenneville loves Panarin.

Package deal with Bob. Maybe Florida acquires the rights to both players. 8 years for each of them. They have become best friends. They share the same agent. They are countrymen. Their significant others are close friends too. They vacation together. They went to Miami together on vacation right after the season before going back to Russia.

I dont know if we agree on most things about the rebuild, but i do like your posts where you show all these interesting scenarios. Keep em comimg.

 

[eco's bones]

If you can turn the 20 and Buch into Trouba signed longterm do you do it ?

Without a doubt. Trouba's only one year older than Buchnevich and he's a right shot and he plays a really mean game and he put up 50 points last year. Do I think he'd put up 50 points for us this year--probably not. Winnipeg has a deeper offense but he does have a fairly decent offensive game just the same. Trouba maybe not a legit #1 D but he is a legit first pairing defenseman who can play in all situations It would mean moving on from some of the D we have now--like Shattenkirk and probably Pionk. I don't think too many people would have a problem with that part though. IMO we should move on from Shattenkirk anyway.

 

[GAGLine]

Here’s another thought. Just because a team (the Rangers) might trade for a players rights, it doesn’t guarantee an eight year contract. The Rangers traded Yandle’s rights to Florida a few years ago and he subsequently signed a seven year contract.

Well, there's a difference between trading for a player's rights and then signing him, and doing a sign then trade. If it's the latter, it will be for 8 years, because that's the only reason to do it that way.

Regardless, I doubt Gorton will be a serious bidder for Panarin, no matter what input JD provides.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I know this is serious, but it would be a great troll if you weren't.

I think you’ve gotten your words mixed up there amigo.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I know this is serious, but it would be a great troll if you weren't.

If the Rangers choose Girardi over Stralman again, I'll scream.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Any sense of what teams could possibly have an in

I would imagine they have approached Staal about the possibility of accepting a trade. It may surprise some of you here but there would be interest. That may be the best route for everyone.

in stahl!

 

[kovazub94]

I'd rather not commit assets to bringing in Trouba until the team knows what it has in ADA and Fox (and to a lesser extent Lundkvist, Keane, Pionk etc.) and what they are going to do with Shattenkirk and Smith.

This is a crossroad or big development year for a lot of players. Add that to the likelihood this next season might be a rough one and this summer seems like a less than ideal time to make a big move you are locked into.

I don't get this logic.

First, Trouba would immediately slide ahead of these two, possibly putting them in better position to succeed and the Ranger - to know what they have there as you put it. Second, Trouba is still the different type of defenseman from ADA, Fox, Pionk, Lundkvist and Keane so he's not their competition. Third, IMHO he's true 1RD in the NHL and the team does not have 1D on either side for the near future and, moreover, there's no 1RD prospect in the prospect pipeline, so getting one other than via trade or UFA (i.e. via draft) would continue the void until at least 4-5 years down the road and that's being optimistic.

 

[Lone Ranger]

It could be argued, that Trouba is a bigger need for this team than Panarin, and I want the Breadman.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

It could be argued, that Trouba is a bigger need for this team than Panarin, and I want the Breadman.

With Kakko's gluten allergy it puts us in a difficult spot though

 

[kovazub94]

Well, I hope he has learned from what Edmonton did. They traded for a 23 yo RD with great upside and who was drafted 4th overall. But if I understand Oilers fan correctly, has not taken the last step. If Rangers have the opportunity to trade for a proven D-man in the same age group as Zibanejad, they should use some of the assets to trade for him. Now I have not seen enough of Trouba to say he is the guy, but if Rangers think so they should try to get him. A big part of this rebuild is if they can identify early the prospects they think has the best chance of succeeding, and trade others before they bust and lose all value. As @RangerBoy did point out earlier, there are not enough contracts available for all the prospects.

I agree with your logic but I'd remove the Griffin REINhart (just realized how much it sounds like a GoT name) example since there were a lot of concerns about his development into impactful NHL D at the time of the trade.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I agree with your logic but I'd remove the Griffin REINhart (just realized how much it sounds like a GoT name) example since there were a lot of concerns about his development into impactful NHL D at the time of the trade.

Young Griff

 

[Avery16]

They’re still lacking that bigger RHD that can eat pucks and contribute significantly on the PK. Plus, a stout defensive dman could really help Pionk round out his game and be fully ready for top-pairing minutes, maybe even 25-27 min a game.

There’s a guy that’ll be on the market this summer that will be perfect for this role. His name? Dan Girardi.

Staal needs a partner...

 

[haohmaru]

Is it that simple though? Yes, the state of our defense undoubtedly prohibits us from competing next year (and probably for another 2). However, it looks somewhat promising once we move past that and fits the timeline quite well in that sense.

ADA, Fox, Hajek, Lindgren, Rykov are all on the cusp of being NHL ready (surely not all will pan out, but that's 5 right on the doorstep). Miller, Lundkvist, Keane, etc...are a few years off, but represent strong prospects.

Buch and whoever we draft at 20 would strengthen that squad down the line, whereas Trouba, who has quite a sketchy injury history, is not necessarily a sure thing.

It's an interesting proposal, but I'd probably pass and see what opportunities arise in 2 years if one of our guys doesn't emerge as a top pairing guy.

So, to simplify, the plan above is to hope that somebody above turns into a Trouba and, if they don't, then hope a Trouba-like player is available in two years?

If Trouba is available now and the cost is the 20th and Buchnevich, I do that all day long and twice on gameday. RD is the toughest skating position in the sport to find talented players for.

And, honestly, anyone can get injured at any time so I'm not going to speculate about future health for any player unless there are health issues known before the trade.

 

[eco's bones]

I don't get this logic.

First, Trouba would immediately slide ahead of these two, possibly putting them in better position to succeed and the Ranger - to know what they have there as you put it. Second, Trouba is still the different type of defenseman from ADA, Fox, Pionk, Lundkvist and Keane so he's not their competition. Third, IMHO he's true 1RD in the NHL and the team does not have 1D on either side for the near future and, moreover, there's no 1RD prospect in the prospect pipeline, so getting one other than via trade or UFA (i.e. via draft) would continue the void until at least 4-5 years down the road and that's being optimistic.

Having Trouba sets us up for slotting our RD's a lot better than last year. The Rangers were using Pionk the first two thirds of the season and practically no one thinks he has what it takes to be a first pairing RD anymore--he was clearly more and more over his head the deeper we got into the season. The fact is though that neither DeAngelo or Shattenkirk are all situations defensemen either and neither of them should have been first pairing either. Trouba fills that hole so we can properly slot in the other RD's under him. I see no point in doing this experiment again on another rookie like Fox this year. Let him adjust to the NHL for a year or two anyway. Tony needs to incorporate regular penallty kill minutes into his resume. He does that he'll be a 20+ minute player. He's not there yet.

 

[RGY]

Why are you moaning? Only two days ago you called me ignorant...

Glad I’m not the only one who notices. The claim is his posts are “on-topic” and that others that have a differing opinion come off condescending, hostile, a personal attack, etc.

Its not worth the time.

But anyways, as I said to True Blue, I welcome the opinions of the opposition and would not be upset at all if those come to fruition. I simply have a different path to consider.

 

[Trxjw]

I don't get this logic.

First, Trouba would immediately slide ahead of these two, possibly putting them in better position to succeed and the Ranger - to know what they have there as you put it. Second, Trouba is still the different type of defenseman from ADA, Fox, Pionk, Lundkvist and Keane so he's not their competition. Third, IMHO he's true 1RD in the NHL and the team does not have 1D on either side for the near future and, moreover, there's no 1RD prospect in the prospect pipeline, so getting one other than via trade or UFA (i.e. via draft) would continue the void until at least 4-5 years down the road and that's being optimistic.

And six weeks ago there was no undeniable franchise talent in the pipeline at forward. So a lot can change when the opportunity arises. I don't think wanting to be cautious about rushing to fill immediate needs because of the long-term outlook is anymore disingenuous than assuming a top RD is a position that can't be filled from within.

Until this year Trouba was an oft-injured, 20-30 point defensemen. One good season isn't any kind of assurance that he's the right investment.

 

[SA16]

And six weeks ago there was no undeniable franchise talent in the pipeline at forward. So a lot can change when the opportunity arises. I don't think wanting to be cautious about rushing to fill immediate needs because of the long-term outlook is anymore disingenuous than assuming a top RD is a position that can't be filled from within.

Until this year Trouba was an oft-injured, 20-30 point defensemen. One good season isn't any kind of assurance that he's the right investment.

The only real difference in Trouba's offensive production this year and and in past years was that Byfuglien missed a time so he got a lot more ice time on the top PP unit. His 5v5 scoring rate was lower this year than the previous two but he played 125 mins on the top PP with Wheeler/Scheifele when the year before he played just about 35 minutes there. His 5v5 production has always been good it's just a matter of opportunity - not much different than Marchand's "break out" a few years ago really just be him being moved to the top PP unit.

 

[Lone Ranger]

With Kakko's gluten allergy it puts us in a difficult spot though

That's very funny!

 

[eco's bones]

And six weeks ago there was no undeniable franchise talent in the pipeline at forward. So a lot can change when the opportunity arises. I don't think wanting to be cautious about rushing to fill immediate needs because of the long-term outlook is anymore disingenuous than assuming a top RD is a position that can't be filled from within.

Until this year Trouba was an oft-injured, 20-30 point defensemen. One good season isn't any kind of assurance that he's the right investment.

FWIW if you want to know why Trouba's production numbers went up this year---there are two main reasons. Power play time and getting to play regularly with his team's better players. The most power play points he'd had before this year was 6. This year he had 18. Byfuglien missed almost half the year which helps to explain that he replaced Dustin as the team's No. 1 RD and he thrived in that situation. Byfuglien has been in front of him all this time. Sometimes you need a chance. His first two years are actually kind of similar to Charlie McAvoy's--he was doing almost the same at the same age.

Trouba did play every game this year. I checked his bio over at TSN on the injury count--3 or 4 are listed as upper body injuries--one a lower body injury and one a concussion (he missed 5 games with that so it wasn't a real serious one). I don't think his first upper body was a concussion. He plays a hard game though. He hits really hard. He's a crease clearer. He's been suspended one time.

 

[eco's bones]

The only real difference in Trouba's offensive production this year and and in past years was that Byfuglien missed a time so he got a lot more ice time on the top PP unit. His 5v5 scoring rate was lower this year than the previous two but he played 125 mins on the top PP with Wheeler/Scheifele when the year before he played just about 35 minutes there. His 5v5 production has always been good it's just a matter of opportunity - not much different than Marchand's "break out" a few years ago really just be him being moved to the top PP unit.

I missed this or I wouldn't have gone through my longer winded explanation that you explained a little more succinctly.

 

[Trxjw]

The only real difference in Trouba's offensive production this year and and in past years was that Byfuglien missed a time so he got a lot more ice time on the top PP unit. His 5v5 scoring rate was lower this year than the previous two but he played 125 mins on the top PP with Wheeler/Scheifele when the year before he played just about 35 minutes there. His 5v5 production has always been good it's just a matter of opportunity - not much different than Marchand's "break out" a few years ago really just be him being moved to the top PP unit.

FWIW if you want to know why Trouba's production numbers went up this year---there are two main reasons. Power play time and getting to play regularly with his team's better players. The most power play points he'd had before this year was 6. This year he had 18. Byfuglien missed almost half the year which helps to explain that he replaced Dustin as the team's No. 1 RD and he thrived in that situation. Byfuglien has been in front of him all this time. Sometimes you need a chance. His first two years are actually kind of similar to Charlie McAvoy's--he was doing almost the same at the same age.

Trouba did play every game this year. I checked his bio over at TSN on the injury count--3 or 4 are listed as upper body injuries--one a lower body injury and one a concussion (he missed 5 games with that so it wasn't a real serious one). I don't think his first upper body was a concussion. He plays a hard game though. He hits really hard. He's a crease clearer. He's been suspended one time.

Sometimes you just need an opportunity, sure, and sometimes you just need to actually play an entire season for only the second time in your career.

 

[ETTER DE]

I agree with your logic but I'd remove the Griffin REINhart (just realized how much it sounds like a GoT name) example since there were a lot of concerns about his development into impactful NHL D at the time of the trade.

Adam Larsson

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I know everybody hates Ristolainen but I think he could potentially be a quality reclamation project. Could see him flourishing outside of the pit of hell known as Buffalo.