Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLI

[Inferno]

Totall

The Rangers would look like fools to spend $77M on Panarin and they miss the playoffs. The guy has 2-3 quality years left and the Rangers will piss away one of them by missing the playoffs.

The Rangers can trade Kreider without adding Panarin or another big name player.

Buchnevich is ready for the next step. Kravstov will be on the team. Kakko will be here. Where is Chytil starting off this season? Center or wing? All of the young guys aren’t playing on the 3rd and 4th lines.

Totally agree.

I'd be looking to add a short term ufa to this team, maybe 2 who can provide leadership and play the style Quinn wants...like a Simmonds for example ..tho not necessarily him.

I'd trade vesey, pionkpion strome this off-season as well because strome and pionks value will never be higher and vesey annoys me.


So something like this next season without any thought to preferred wing side...

Kakko zibanejad chytil
Lemieux lias buchnevich
Namestnikov zegras (who we got when we trade kreider) Simmonds
Boo howden fasth

Skjei DeAngelo
Hajek fox
Staal shattenkirk
Smith

 

[pld459666]

If we are expecting ~#15 for Kreider, I think something like Dallas' 1st, Lundkvist + Pionk is what Trouba would command. I'm not sure I want to pay it.

If that's all it took to acquire Trouba, that's a trade you make every day without hesitation

 

[RGY]

Does Carl Hagelin get overpaid in free agency?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Does Carl Hagelin get overpaid in free agency?

He was overpaid the last 2 seasons already, it's not going to get any better

 

[Irishguy42]

RB, you know that things don't become more correct the more you repeat them, yes?

 

[Ghost of jas]

Totall

Totally agree.

I'd be looking to add a short term ufa to this team, maybe 2 who can provide leadership and play the style Quinn wants...like a Simmonds for example ..tho not necessarily him.

I'd trade vesey, pionkpion strome this off-season as well because strome and pionks value will never be higher and vesey annoys me.


So something like this next season without any thought to preferred wing side...

Kakko zibanejad chytil
Lemieux lias buchnevich
Namestnikov zegras (who we got when we trade kreider) Simmonds
Boo howden fasth

Skjei DeAngelo
Hajek fox
Staal shattenkirk
Smith

Where’s Kravtsov?

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

The Rangers would look like fools to spend $77M on Panarin and they miss the playoffs. The guy has 2-3 quality years left and the Rangers will piss away one of them by missing the playoffs.

The Rangers can trade Kreider without adding Panarin or another big name player.

Buchnevich is ready for the next step. Kravstov will be on the team. Kakko will be here. Where is Chytil starting off this season? Center or wing? All of the young guys aren’t playing on the 3rd and 4th lines.

Short of injury, Panarin has more than 2-3 quality years left in him. I'd put money on that.

You make room for an 80-90 point winger with leadership skills.

 

[Ori]

Zucc have same points total in playoffs as Matt Duchene and he cant even shot the puck properly, because of the plate in his arm with 10 pts - Panarin has 11 pts.
So Zucc should be a plan B signing if we fail to sign Panarin or Matt Duchene and Jim Nill don`t risk a 1st pick in 2020.
That should be the plan if Gorton is already aiming for playoffs next season and no doubts it might change based on our lottery pick and that`s an elite young talent in Hughes or Kappo. They are utter the same words at MSG Networks based on reasons that rebuild is a tedious process for them.

Anyhow I still think we should move Kreider at the draft day in attempt to get a top 10 center in 2019 draft and personally I hope they don`t sign any UFA this summer to stay the course, and get a low 4-8th 1st pick next summer in 2020.

 

[Fitzy]

Short of injury, Panarin has more than 2-3 quality years left in him. I'd put money on that.

You make room for an 80-90 point winger with leadership skills.

He's from the "All players are useless at 30" school of thought.

I call them the Children of the Corn.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Forward lineup as of right now, assuming a Kreider offseason trade:

Kakko-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Chytil-Strome-Kravtsov
Andersson-Howden-Lemieux
Vesey-Namestnikov-Fast

And that's without the opportunity for any non-top-prospect (Nieves, Gettinger, Fogarty, Fontaine all have legit cases for NHL PT already; Meskanen, Gropp, Elmer, Newell could all surprise) to force his way into the conversation.

Conclusions:
1) Man, I didn't realize just how likely a Kreider deal was.
2) Even after moving him, there's still work to do to make room for any UFA forward the team chooses to sign, Panarin or otherwise. Hell, you could move both Vesey and Namestnikov, and there's still absolutely no reason to go outside the organization to replace them.

 

[Ola]

Does Carl Hagelin get overpaid in free agency?

Its funny, because Hagelin is a bit soft-spoken etc, but I've heard him say that stuff that he really dislikes the Western Conference. Ds back down faster and teams stretch out much more there so he never gets any odd man breaks etc nor really get any chance to beat Ds to lose pucks. He hated it in both ANA and LA. I definitely think he will sign with an Eastern team.

 

[Ori]

They should not move Kreider if they can`t climb up or get a prospect that fit Rangers need in that center #2 role position in the future since it looks like Zib turning into a #1 center @Brooklyn Rangers Fan . And if Oilers or Buffalo refuse to move their 2019 1st pick in exchange of Kreider - I hope they consider to resign Kreider. Because moving him at TDL don`t make too much sense with his age at 28 - he still has his speed and he usually score 28 goals in his next 4-5 years since he rely so much on pace to be an effective player for us.

 

[McRanger]

Putting aside the reality that all FA signings are different (which makes comparing them sort of pointless and stupid) one thing that makes Panarin somewhat unique is the potential lack of wear and tear on his body due to him coming to NA so late. He's played a lot less hockey than your typical 27 year old. He reminds me of Zucc in that respect, who has aged well. Would anyone be surprised if Zucc put up 55-60 points next year at age 32?

I think a move like signing Panarin might be a season too early, but I would like to get some proven talent on the team to make a push while our young talent is on ELCs.

 

[True Blue]

You make room for an 80-90 point winger with leadership skills.

Where did suddenly his leadership skills come from? I do not see a letter. There are no rumors of him leading the lockerroom.

And by your logic, anytime you have an top end player appear in free agency, you need to make room for him. Does that sound like it is viable long term?

Short of injury, Panarin has more than 2-3 quality years left in him. I'd put money on that.

No one is debating what happens to his point totals for the the next two or three years. It's what happens to his play 4-7 years down the line, when the Rangers are truly competing for the Cup.

His point scoring does not really help the Rangers for the next several years.

 

[Inferno]

Where’s Kravtsov?

Doh!

On the team instead of boo

 

[Fugazy]

Doh!

On the team instead of boo

Immediate upgrade

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Short of injury, Panarin has more than 2-3 quality years left in him. I'd put money on that.

You make room for an 80-90 point winger with leadership skills.

Panarin is basically a 25-year old UFA when you consider the mileage as a player. 50-60 games in the KHL for 5 years and then the NHL for 4. The KHL is also not as physical which extends his "shelf life" a bit.

 

[JimmyG89]

Kakko-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Chytil-Strome-Kravtsov
Andersson-Howden-Lemieux
Vesey-Namestnikov-Fast

If this is the team that gets iced, I'd be prepared for another top 5 pick, especially with the defense they'll be trotting out there.

 

[pld459666]

Where did suddenly his leadership skills come from? I do not see a letter. There are no rumors of him leading the lockerroom.

And by your logic, anytime you have an top end player appear in free agency, you need to make room for him. Does that sound like it is viable long term?

No one is debating what happens to his point totals for the the next two or three years. It's what happens to his play 4-7 years down the line, when the Rangers are truly competing for the Cup.

His point scoring does not really help the Rangers for the next several years.

Based on his younger NHL legs, in fact younger Hockey legs, that Panarin has at least 5-6 years of productive hockey left.

This is not a player that has been accumulating 80+ games for the last 10-11 years.

I believe that we get 5-6 good to great years from him.

I also think that his presence helps both Kaako and Kravtsov develope offensively

 

[Inferno]

Panarin is basically a 25-year old UFA when you consider the mileage as a player. 50-60 games in the KHL for 5 years and then the NHL for 4. The KHL is also not as physical which extends his "shelf life" a bit.

That's kinda supposition isn't it? I don't think players slow down based on how many years they've played pro hockey or the damage the league does to them ..just what father time does to all of us as we get older.

Aging curves tend to show players peak in their early to mid 20s and go downhill from there.

 

[LORDE]

If this is the team that gets iced, I'd be prepared for another top 5 pick, especially with the defense they'll be trotting out there.

Should be exactly what we’re aiming for. We need another top pick, blue chip prospect (probably 2 more)

Certainly the defense could use that help

 

[Ori]

If this is the team that gets iced, I'd be prepared for another top 5 pick, especially with the defense they'll be trotting out there.

Yes that`s the plan; it will be another painful season, but Jeff Gorton has much more options when both Staal & Henrik contracts runs out 2020/21 season - assuming he is still a GM for us. And I guess that is up for debate when we get a new president, we don`t know what is going to happen in the next 2-3 years with our current direction and all that.

 

[Inferno]

It's amazing how often people talk about him having young hockey legs and how playing in the khl is going to prolong his career...it's all just guessing isn't it? It's a gamble..with zero precedence that I can think of.

But it's not a little gamble..its a effing HUGE gamble with q lot at stake if it's wrong.

And the biggest thing that you can say, on top of all that, is the rangers unquestionably do not have the supporting staff in place to win a cup even if panarin is elite his entire tenure here...and his presence will only further that lack of support by bringing the rangers to the dreaded middle.

This team doesn't need a kaapo kakko...it needs 3.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That's kinda supposition isn't it? I don't think players slow down based on how many years they've played pro hockey or the damage the league does to them ..just what father time does to all of us as we get older.

Aging curves tend to show players peak in their early to mid 20s and go downhill from there.

I think the no of games and intensity definitely affect how long a player can retain a certain level of play. That and the type of player they are.

Panarin is not the type of player that ages quickly so to speak.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

If this is the team that gets iced, I'd be prepared for another top 5 pick, especially with the defense they'll be trotting out there.

Barring massive jumps by multiple kids all in one year (including Kravtsov and Kakko in their first years, which is super unlikely), I can certainly see it.

But that doesn't change the point regarding just how crowded the forward ranks are ATM, prior to any moves.