Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLI

[Shesterkybomb]

Agree with that, but if we're talking "hometown discount" then that's a starting point. He's an RFA, so I wonder if he'll sit out like Nylander did. Toronto seems to have more trouble than most signing their RFA's.

If they don't start in the 10's then marner will go looking for an offset sheet

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Get out of your moms basement. He’s not driving to the net.. Boston has worn down the jackets. They would have put some of our guys on IR.

Panarin is quite possibly one of the top 4 players on the ice in that series.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Yup and so can Panarin. Question is where’s the team? NOT who could have a career ending injury.

It’s about timing

If Panarin would agree to sign on now then now would be a great time. The team is getting closer and closer, when you’re already in your contending years and your ELCs are ending it is harder to pay for guys like Panarin. Why? Because if we don’t sign him we will sign fillers because we will be desparate to show improvement. Instead of developing with Panarin in the system, we will overpay for guys like Connolly to provide secondsry scoring while also resigning Kreider and re-upping unnecessary bottom6 guys. We will continue to sign middle-6 players until we become a bubble team. I am not being patient through this reuild just to have the same “close” team from 8 years ago. With guys like Kakko getting better you need to have guys like Panarin already here.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

As Panarin gets older and “ages poorly” as some of you claim, he will cede his top line scoring role to a younger better player and he himself will thrive in a smaller role. Noone is asking to sign Panarin to a 7 year contract promising him 20 minutes a night. Make it front heavy and by the end he will be a 2nd line scorer. Scorers dont forget how to score, they just tire quicker. Put him in a position to succeed for all 7 years and he will, just know that position will be fluid.

 

[Anthony5967]

Imagine this club somehow buying out Staal, eating 1/2 on Smith and Deuces and sending out Vlad? Panarin and Mitchy. Good lord. 99% unlikely, but, man.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I'd hope that they can develop someone who can cover the 1C role by the time we have to worry about whether Zibanejad can still handle it or not.

Who wants to be bad beyond next year though? I'm pretty sure that the common though for most of us against signing Panarin is to suck next year and start to turn the corner after that.

Beacon has been the most vocal about it. But if you want to turn the corner after 19-20, why be against Panarin? He will be 29. Zibanejad will only have 2 years left on this current deal which is very team friendly, Kakko/Kravtsov/Howden/Andersson/Hajek/Shesterkin/Chytil will be on their ELC's still. ADA and Buch might be on the final years of a bridge. Shattenkirk/Smith/Staal will be much easier to move with a year left on their contracts. There will be tons of cap room and if you are worried about Panarin being so good that he will destroy the Rangers chances of getting a top-5 or top-10 pick in 2020, if they are as bad as people think they will be he won't be able to do that. The UFA list is also not good and Hall if he even gets to UFA will be the exact same age as Panarin and he has a much larger injury concern.

 

[Richard Banger]

Goodness this thread is stale.

 

[SA16]

Since Panarin is a once in a lifetime UFA who can benefit teams regardless of the stage of the team's development (contending, just playoffs, or like us rebuilding), then all 31 teams should be in on him.

To get a great player who can benefit any team without giving up any assets, you must offer him a contract that all 30 other GMs think is so crazy, they wouldn't even want this elite player for free. After all, if even 1 other team thinks the offer isn't insane, they'd still be bidding to get him for free.

So would you offer Panarin a contract that 30 GMs think is crazy? Just a yes or no please, no fantasies about how he will accept $2-3 million annually less from us and will accept not having a NMC when someone else will no doubt offer it.

Again, yes or no: do you think it would be smart for the Rangers to offer Panarin a contract that the other 30 GMs think is crazy?

Does he want to play for all 31 teams or has he expressed specific interest about where’ he may want to be?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I still am a bit confused why for those who want this team to be bad for not just 2019 but the next season as well, why trading Zibanejad isn't talked about more often. There's a good chance you could get Colorado's 4th overall pick as they could really use a 2C, and by trading him and Kreider and doing nothing in the offseason you can pretty much guarantee a top-5 pick next season and probably the season after. Which would give you 4 top-5 picks the next 3 seasons. Not to mention by the time Kakko hits his prime at 24, Zibanejad will be 32 and 3 years in on his new long-term contract.

Zbad absolutely is available imo...

If you want to trade us above market value for a 25 year old right handed Center with size, coming off a career year who is under contract for the next 3 seasons at a stupid cap hit of 5.35m.

He’s worth more than the 4th OA in this draft imo.

Just because I’m hoping for another top 5 pick next year doesn’t mean I want a top 5 in 2021. That’s the season I’d like to start seeing some progress. Beacon may think having another high pick for 2021 is necessary, but I don’t. It might be for the best benefit for our future, but I truly think after next year it will be the time to start asking to see some real progression in taking a step forward.

Agreed.

Get me 1 more Top 5 pick next season with another late 1st (Which we might already have if Dallas re-signs Zucc) and I think we’re done with building the foundation of our rebuild through the draft.

There are 2 really ****ing good looking Wingers, Centers, and Dmen next year.

Give me Kakko and trade up for Zegras this year. Hope you get lucky and get a top-5 next year where even if you miss the lottery, you have a shot of drafting a dmen like Schneider who I think has #1D potential. That’s our all situation RHD with size and skill. A terrific two way dmen which we’ll need in front of ADA/Fox.

 

[Avery16]

I’d go with Jesus. He was perfect. Great building block !

Jesus was a goaltender with all those saves. We’re already stacked at that position, he’d get cut.

 

[Avery16]

As Panarin gets older and “ages poorly” as some of you claim, he will cede his top line scoring role to a younger better player and he himself will thrive in a smaller role. Noone is asking to sign Panarin to a 7 year contract promising him 20 minutes a night. Make it front heavy and by the end he will be a 2nd line scorer. Scorers dont forget how to score, they just tire quicker. Put him in a position to succeed for all 7 years and he will, just know that position will be fluid.

By the end of Nash’s, he was an 8mill checker/PKer. 2nd line scoring is a rosy outlook.

 

[DanielBrassard]

By the end of Nash’s, he was an 8mill checker/PKer. 2nd line scoring is a rosy outlook.

Not true, he was still a high-end 2nd liner at 5v5 in p/60, and Primary points/60. Right behind Franchise player Jack Eichel.

 

[Avery16]

Not true, he was still a high-end 2nd liner at 5v5 in p/60, and Primary points/60. Right behind Franchise player Jack Eichel.

You can’t advanced stats Nash back into relevance. His decline was precipitous, and left us carrying him without a scoring punch for seasons.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Goodness this thread is stale.

Stale...?

Hold on, I got you fam.

Hopefully my cute and clever gifs made things less stale around here.

 

[bobbop]

Woah woah woah...are we suggesting Panarin isn't a playoff performer?

We’re way past that...

 

[bobbop]

I don’t think that adding Panarin would get the Rangers into the playoffs next year. It would open up the possibility of a Kreider trade, which I believe is becoming more and more inevitable. The young core players will still require more development but having a foundation player in place will make the development year far more palatable and productive. And fun.

Panarin is the only consequential free agent I have any interest in. No Duchesne, no Karlsson etc.

I would be interested in trading for any available young assets who could be signed or are under control for the long term but that’s another conversation. Trades are where the most consequential action may take place.

 

[egelband]

If Dallas wins the cup this year, are they less likely to re-sign Zucc?

Why would they mess with a good thing.

 

[haohmaru]

Yeah. I’d like to NOT be them! I’d like to be the franchise that everyone talks about in a decade and says “look at what the NYR did and Gorton... they had their chance and Hank is a HOF goalie but they saw the writing on the wall... disassembled and built smart. Yes they got #2 in 2019 but look at what they did since!!!!”

That’s what I want. Tavares I mean Panarin I mean Tavares has NOTHING to do with that vision.

Not yet

Go back and read what I wrote. I'm not talking about being like Toronto. All I'm saying is that more attractive marketplaces and historic franchises have an edge going after big UFA's.

Which has NOTHING to do with what you wrote above.

 

[Mikos87]

Look with or without Breadman, you should still trade Kreider. You're going to get a good piece back, and he'll be the last high value player you can sell off.

Then you move the likes of Fast, Names, Vesey. All pending UFAs. All guys who you aren't going to win with in the future.

That will cap off of your rebuild from the assets you can liquidate.

 

[Mikos87]

With the back and forth on Breadman... One thing you guys are forgetting:

Gorts and Co are going to buy a 4th line in free agency. They will overpay and many of you will shriek.

Prepare yourselves for that as that's far more likely to happen

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

With the back and forth on Breadman... One thing you guys are forgetting:

Gorts and Co are going to buy a 4th line in free agency. They will overpay and many of you will shriek.

Prepare yourselves for that as that's far more likely to happen

Well, if they do, at least 2 of Namestnikov, Strome or Vesey will be gone. Or all 3.

Kreider, Zibanejad, Buchnevich, Lias, Chytil, Kravtsov, Kakko, Howden, Fast, Lemieux are already 10 NHL forwards on the roster next season. If we acquire 4th liners, the 3 mentioned earlier will not be on the team. Unless you think Kakko and Kravtsov play in the AHL

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Beacon has been the most vocal about it. But if you want to turn the corner after 19-20, why be against Panarin? He will be 29. Zibanejad will only have 2 years left on this current deal which is very team friendly, Kakko/Kravtsov/Howden/Andersson/Hajek/Shesterkin/Chytil will be on their ELC's still. ADA and Buch might be on the final years of a bridge. Shattenkirk/Smith/Staal will be much easier to move with a year left on their contracts. There will be tons of cap room and if you are worried about Panarin being so good that he will destroy the Rangers chances of getting a top-5 or top-10 pick in 2020, if they are as bad as people think they will be he won't be able to do that. The UFA list is also not good and Hall if he even gets to UFA will be the exact same age as Panarin and he has a much larger injury concern.

Turn a corner as in no longer needing to add assets and possibly compete for a playoff spot. I think it’s pretty foolish to think that Panarin wouldn’t keep this team from finishing bottom 5. If he doesn’t, maybe he isn’t as good as we think?

They can trade for guys. I know money vs assets but that’s why you accumulate more than you need.

Also, how are we fixing this D? Especially with Staal shoehorned in there, possibly Pionk too.

 

[Ola]

I don’t think that adding Panarin would get the Rangers into the playoffs next year. It would open up the possibility of a Kreider trade, which I believe is becoming more and more inevitable. The young core players will still require more development but having a foundation player in place will make the development year far more palatable and productive. And fun.

Panarin is the only consequential free agent I have any interest in. No Duchesne, no Karlsson etc.

I would be interested in trading for any available young assets who could be signed or are under control for the long term but that’s another conversation. Trades are where the most consequential action may take place.

I think we fire Dave Quinn and hire Hardy "Mr. Torpedo Hockey" Nilsson and then sign Erik Karlsson. Sign Hagelin too. We should also only dress one goalie each game, and add an extra skater. If the goalie is injured, we can take the loss. Put a water bottle between the pipes. One loss, big deal?

Sweepers:
1 Karlsson
2 Staal
3 Fox

Half-back paring:
1 Lias-Ziba
2 Chytil-TDA
3 Hajak-Strome

Torpedo-pairings
1 Kravy-Buch
2 Kakko-Names
3 Lemieux-Vinny L
4 Vesey-Fast
5 Hagelin-Virta

 

[RangerBoy]

Goodness this thread is stale.

You just look at the board member name and you already know what their opinion will be.

It’s very stale.

 

[RangerBoy]

I don’t think that adding Panarin would get the Rangers into the playoffs next year. It would open up the possibility of a Kreider trade, which I believe is becoming more and more inevitable. The young core players will still require more development but having a foundation player in place will make the development year far more palatable and productive. And fun.

Panarin is the only consequential free agent I have any interest in. No Duchesne, no Karlsson etc.

I would be interested in trading for any available young assets who could be signed or are under control for the long term but that’s another conversation. Trades are where the most consequential action may take place.

The Rangers would look like fools to spend $77M on Panarin and they miss the playoffs. The guy has 2-3 quality years left and the Rangers will piss away one of them by missing the playoffs.

The Rangers can trade Kreider without adding Panarin or another big name player.

Buchnevich is ready for the next step. Kravstov will be on the team. Kakko will be here. Where is Chytil starting off this season? Center or wing? All of the young guys aren’t playing on the 3rd and 4th lines.