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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XL

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Leetch3 said:
if the blues decide to move Dunn because they can't protect him in the expansion draft I doubt they will move him now for one of our picks...makes more sense to keep him for next year and then unload him before the expansion draft.
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This may be true but they have to know other GM’s will squeeze them if they wait.
 
Savant said:
Igor
Trouba. DeAngelo. Lindgren. (D Acquisition)
Panarin. Zibanejad, Kreider, Buchnevich.

Exempt: Kakko, Chytil, Gauthier, Howden (lol) Fox.

Am I doing this right?
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igor is exempt too...georgiev will be the goalie protected assuming he is still here.
 
Leetch3 said:
if the blues decide to move Dunn because they can't protect him in the expansion draft I doubt they will move him now for one of our picks...makes more sense to keep him for next year and then unload him before the expansion draft.
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Well Dunn is an RFA this summer but yeah they’d probably try to move Bozak/Allen first.
 
NYR Viper said:
I’d be pretty happy if Gorton went the way of:

trade Buch for picks/prospects/expiring contract

trade CAR 1st + Hajek for Dunn

See how Lindgren does in his second year. If he progresses into a top-4 stalwart then you keep the 4 guys on defense and make the forwards work. If he doesn’t, then you go 7-3-1. Either way, Gorton would have options.

I’d also be more apt to spend on someone like Dunn long term than Buch, especially with young guys in Kaako, Gauthier, Andersson, Barron, Kravtsov close to or in the NHL next season.
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Is Kakko on the top line in this scenario? Gauthier in the top-six? This seems like not a great plan.
 
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UnSandvich said:
I trade Strome all day, every day, twice on Sunday before I trade Buch. If we give Buch a long-term contract, it'll be a bargain in 3 years. If we give Strome anything more than 2, it'll be an anchor.
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There’s an option C as well.

Give Strome 2 years and trade Buch. Helps bridge the gap to the younger guys taking bigger roles and they can expose Strome and possibly keep a young guy like Gauthier or Lemieux away from Seattle.
 
NYR Viper said:
There’s an option C as well.

Give Strome 2 years and trade Buch. Helps bridge the gap to the younger guys taking bigger roles and they can expose Strome and possibly keep a young guy like Gauthier or Lemieux away from Seattle.
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We can protect both Gauthier and Lemieux by trading Strome. And not trade away a better player on a better contract in Buch
 
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Lindgren really is not good enough to worrying about blowing up the whole protection in the expansion draft to protect. Most teams who made side deals ended up worse last time. If we get a better D than him prior to the draft then he should just be left exposed and whatever happens happens.

Trading Dunn doesn't really accomplish anything for STL though. They're just going to force him into a cheap 1 year RFA deal like what happened with DeAngelo this year due to a lack of cap space. Some combination of Bozak/Steen/Allen need to go if they plan on keeping Pietrangelo.
 
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UnSandvich said:
We can protect both Gauthier and Lemieux by trading Strome. And not trade away a better player on a better contract in Buch
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there is zero chance that we trade buch to open an expansion draft protection slot...if he gets moved to fill another hole and by some miracle the guy we get back doesn't need to be protected, then that extra protection spot will just be a side benefit not the reason.

and while its fun to speculate I think people need to look back at the vegas expansion draft and realize that most of the teams that tried to wheel and deal to avoid losing certain players ended up giving away alot more than if they had just let vegas take a player...teams like the rangers that just sat back and let them take someone. we lost oscar lindberg, who cares.
 
Leetch3 said:
there is zero chance that we trade buch to open an expansion draft protection slot...if he gets moved to fill another hole and by some miracle the guy we get back doesn't need to be protected, then that extra protection spot will just be a side benefit not the reason.

and while its fun to speculate I think people need to look back at the vegas expansion draft and realize that most of the teams that tried to wheel and deal to avoid losing certain players ended up giving away alot more than if they had just let vegas take a player...teams like the rangers that just sat back and let them take someone. we lost oscar lindberg, who cares.
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The idea isn’t to trade Buchnevich to open a spot, the idea is that Buchnevich could be traded anyway.
 
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Leetch3 said:
there is zero chance that we trade buch to open an expansion draft protection slot...if he gets moved to fill another hole and by some miracle the guy we get back doesn't need to be protected, then that extra protection spot will just be a side benefit not the reason.

and while its fun to speculate I think people need to look back at the vegas expansion draft and realize that most of the teams that tried to wheel and deal to avoid losing certain players ended up giving away alot more than if they had just let vegas take a player...teams like the rangers that just sat back and let them take someone. we lost oscar lindberg, who cares.
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Exactly. I'm trading Strome b/c I don't think he's a good player to invest in long-term. The expansion thing is just a side benefit.

If we protect my 11 (Chytil, Buch, Kreider, Gauthier, Panarin, Zib, Lemmy, Tony, Trouba, Lindgren, Georgie), who's the worst player we'll lose? Brett f***ing Howden?
 
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SA16 said:
Lindgren really is not good enough to worrying about blowing up the whole protection in the expansion draft to protect. Most teams who made side deals ended up worse last time. If we get a better D than him prior to the draft then he should just be left exposed and whatever happens happens.

Trading Dunn doesn't really accomplish anything for STL though. They're just going to force him into a cheap 1 year RFA deal like what happened with DeAngelo this year due to a lack of cap space. Some combination of Bozak/Steen/Allen need to go if they plan on keeping Pietrangelo.
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I think the Dunn talk mostly hinges on the Blues protecting Pietrangelo, Parayko and Faulk in the ED. I dont think they'll have all three of those, and will thus be able to protect Dunn.
 
Leetch3 said:
there is zero chance that we trade buch to open an expansion draft protection slot...if he gets moved to fill another hole and by some miracle the guy we get back doesn't need to be protected, then that extra protection spot will just be a side benefit not the reason.

and while its fun to speculate I think people need to look back at the vegas expansion draft and realize that most of the teams that tried to wheel and deal to avoid losing certain players ended up giving away alot more than if they had just let vegas take a player...teams like the rangers that just sat back and let them take someone. we lost oscar lindberg, who cares.
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If you don't want to lose Lindgren in expansion (going off the assumption we have 3 better D to protect) the best way to protect him is not to go 4-4, not to trade stuff to Seattle in order to protect him, but to have a whole bunch of reasonable options for Seattle to select of which they can only take one.
 
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UnSandvich said:
Exactly. I'm trading Strome b/c I don't think he's a good player to invest in long-term. The expansion thing is just a side benefit.

If we protect my 11 (Chytil, Buch, Kreider, Gauthier, Panarin, Zib, Lemmy, Tony, Trouba, Lindgren, Georgie), who's the worst player we'll lose? Brett f***ing Howden?
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This is not a place for you to air your practical solutions.
 
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