Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XL

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Roster Building Thread Part XL: Pretty Close to Dunn

Dunn for Lias trade: Dunn & Busted

 

[Avery16]

Dunn for Lias trade: Dunn & Busted

Maybe all the pun headlines from Brooks is enough of a reason to not trade for Dunn.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Maybe all the pun headlines from Brooks is enough of a reason to not trade for Dunn.

Dunn Dunn Dunn!!!

 

[pld459666]

Maybe. They'd have to get incredibly creative to make it work.

If the cap is flat next year they'll have under 3 million in space. If they let him walk, they obviously thought they'd get at least one more Stanley Cup run out of him this season.

That contract is also going to be pretty bad. Although in their case I'm not sure they care about 5 years from now

I dont see Alex becoming a bad defender in 3 years

 

[Blue Men Group]

I was reading some draft profile articles on Gauthier earlier today. Is it possible that he's better than we think? Some of the pre-draft reports were absolutely glowing.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I was reading some draft profile articles on Gauthier earlier today. Is it possible that he's better than we think? Some of the pre-draft reports were absolutely glowing.

Pre-draft reports are just that. Pre-draft reports. Players often don't develop into the player teams see in them.

If Gauthier really was a legit top-6 prospect, they wouldn't have traded him for just Joey Keane. That's not to say he will never be a top-6 prospect, but if he was as good as we hope he will be, I doubt Carolina would have given him up for a depth D-man

 

[Blue Men Group]

Pre-draft reports are just that. Pre-draft reports. Players often don't develop into the player teams see in them.

If Gauthier really was a legit top-6 prospect, they wouldn't have traded him for just Joey Keane. That's not to say he will never be a top-6 prospect, but if he was as good as we hope he will be, I doubt Carolina would have given him up for a depth D-man

Gotcha, makes sense - but hopefully he can be a solid bottom 6, which we really need.

 

[Avery16]

Pre-draft reports are just that. Pre-draft reports. Players often don't develop into the player teams see in them.

If Gauthier really was a legit top-6 prospect, they wouldn't have traded him for just Joey Keane. That's not to say he will never be a top-6 prospect, but if he was as good as we hope he will be, I doubt Carolina would have given him up for a depth D-man

Personally I think Keane will be more than just a depth defender. I've read assessments of Gauthier's reaction time that suggest he might be too slow to excel in this league. I hope those assessments are wrong or at least premature.

 

[nyr2k2]

Pre-draft reports are just that. Pre-draft reports. Players often don't develop into the player teams see in them.

If Gauthier really was a legit top-6 prospect, they wouldn't have traded him for just Joey Keane. That's not to say he will never be a top-6 prospect, but if he was as good as we hope he will be, I doubt Carolina would have given him up for a depth D-man

Sure, but different teams value different players... differently. One team might see Gauthier as a fringe NHLer, one team might see a guy who with "proper coaching" is easily a #2 RW or whatever. Same for Keane--maybe Carolina is higher on him than we are. Teams always think they're smarter than the competition.

So it's fair to say Carolina might not have thought Gauthier was going to make it as a top six player, but their evaluation of him doesn't mean he's objectively not a "legit" top six prospect.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Buch has proved himself this year, I'm not willing to trade him at this point, I think we are beyond the point of moving players like him. I dont think fans are ever happy, everyone has to get 70 points or they are expendable. I think Buch fits our team well, appears to fit the room well, I don't see any reason to move him, especially when he completes that Kreider Zib line so well, having him there gives us options for our 1b line.

 

[Avery16]

Sure, but different teams value different players... differently. One team might see Gauthier as a fringe NHLer, one team might see a guy who with "proper coaching" is easily a #2 RW or whatever. Same for Keane--maybe Carolina is higher on him than we are. Teams always think they're smarter than the competition.

So it's fair to say Carolina might not have thought Gauthier was going to make it as a top six player, but their evaluation of him doesn't mean he's objectively not a "legit" top six prospect.

Theres also the question of relative depth. Keane couldnt really have competed for a spot with our D. In that context, we sold high. Where was Gauthier on Carolina's death chart?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Personally I think Keane will be more than just a depth defender. I've read assessments of Gauthier's reaction time that suggest he might be too slow to excel in this league. I hope those assessments are wrong or at least premature.

Gauthier is our new Pouliot, I'm good with that, Keane was never gonna get a shot on this team, I think it's a win win for both teams

 

[Alluckks]

If the Rangers acquire too many good players (my god) and have expansion draft issues one solution would be to agree to expose Georgiev and Seattle would agree to take him and not another player

Another avenue would be to trade a pick

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I like Georgiev but I feel Allaire will be comfortable with our goalie depth to let Gorton move him. One of Huska, Wall or Lindblom can be our future backup. The only sucky part is that I really feel they would have moved him at the draft this year possibly picking up a decent prospect or a pick for him.

 

[Avery16]

I like Georgiev but I feel Allaire will be comfortable with our goalie depth to let Gorton move him. One of Huska, Wall or Lindblom can be our future backup. The only sucky part is that I really feel they would have moved him at the draft this year possibly picking up a decent prospect or a pick for him.

I'm hoping they find a way to make player trades at the draft work. We have too much to gain this year to not be able to open for business.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I'm hoping they find a way to make player trades at the draft work. We have too much to gain this year to not be able to open for business.

It doesnt look good for that, say we trade Georgiev and then try and go on a playoff run with him, its strange

 

[bobbop]

You can make player trades anytime. You cannot acquire a player after the deadline and use that player in the playoffs. Unless the league specifically changes the rules for 2020, a player could be traded before the draft. They obviously wouldn’t be available for the playoffs. I don’t think it is impossible that if there is an early draft and someone wants to blow the Rangers away, Georgiev could be moved. Unlikely but...

 

[bobbop]

After looking at a few mocks, I could definitely see the Rangers using one of their third round choices to move up in the first round. A lot depends on how the board breaks.

 

[bigdog16]

Pre-draft reports are just that. Pre-draft reports. Players often don't develop into the player teams see in them.

If Gauthier really was a legit top-6 prospect, they wouldn't have traded him for just Joey Keane. That's not to say he will never be a top-6 prospect, but if he was as good as we hope he will be, I doubt Carolina would have given him up for a depth D-man

Keane was 8th in dman scoring in the AHL in his first pro season. To call him a “depth dman” right now in his career is wrong. Hes trending to be way more than that

 

[The Crypto Guy]

After looking at a few mocks, I could definitely see the Rangers using one of their third round choices to move up in the first round. A lot depends on how the board breaks.

How much do you expect to move up in the first round by throwing in a 3rd round pick?

 

[egelband]

I'd protect Lindgren.

I'm with you here. That said, I do worry about Lindgren eventually breaking down physically. He plays a debilitating style.

 

[Ola]

BTW Hank is reportedly skating in Sweden. I know Ziba didn’t even have his equipment with him, seems a little dumb, but hopefully someone have been able to FedEx his skates to him. Many NHLers skating hard in Sweden right now which should help when the season starts.

 

[Barnaby]

I'm with you here. That said, I do worry about Lindgren eventually breaking down physically. He plays a debilitating style.

If Lindgren can have a career in the Dan Girardi neighborhood then that’s a huge win. Girardi eventually broke down and that last Ranger contract was a killer, but he really did put together a great career. I’ll take that anytime.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Keane was 8th in dman scoring in the AHL in his first pro season. To call him a “depth dman” right now in his career is wrong. Hes trending to be way more than that

He's a depth defenseman. Until he proves he's more than that, he's just that. Same with John Gilmour.

 

[eco's bones]

Pre-draft reports are just that. Pre-draft reports. Players often don't develop into the player teams see in them.

If Gauthier really was a legit top-6 prospect, they wouldn't have traded him for just Joey Keane. That's not to say he will never be a top-6 prospect, but if he was as good as we hope he will be, I doubt Carolina would have given him up for a depth D-man

From what I've seen of Gauthier so far---his upside is kind of like Benoit Pouliot who had nice talent and skill but in his one year with us was carried on the 2nd line by Brassard and Zuccarello. On the current Rangers team and looking at what we have coming I don't see Gauthier making it into our top 6 forwards. He's a nice prospect mind you. Great size and not shy about using it (not a fighter though)--really, really good skater and good goal scoring ability--that's shown more at the AHL level though. Some players can't take that to the next level. Lettieri's been an example of that. Gauthier has a very good chance to make our next team but he's not a lock and if someone like Barron comes along and shows a better overall game that's competition. If Fast is re-signed and then there's Lemieux and Chytil or if a Gettinger outplays him or shows a real knack for fitting into a role better. Shouldn't forget about Andersson either. So Gauthier IMO should not take anything for granted and show up ready to go.