Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XL

[aufheben]

Lemieux will get claimed before Howden and Gauthier. The point is, why go 8FD at all?

To acquire Dunn and keep Lindgren.

 

[Avery16]

To acquire Dunn and keep Lindgren.

That just is not a good idea, given the cost and what we have in the pipeline.

 

[UnSandvich]

7F, 3D, 1G:

F: Panarin, Buch, Zib, Kreider, Chytil
D: Trouba, Tony, Lindgren
G: Georgie

Last 2 F slots don't matter as much. I'd go Lemieux and Gauthier

 

[UnSandvich]

When Rykov and Reunanen make the shortlist, I’m not as confident as you guys are.

Forgot Robertson as well, knew i was missing somebody. He's in Group 1 with Miller & Jones

 

[aufheben]

That just is not a good idea, given the cost and what we have in the pipeline.

You guys have to remember that most of the prospects aren’t going to pan out. I mean if Lundkvist played the left side I’d agree with you. I’m just not convinced that we have an impact player coming up on that side in the near future.

 

[Avery16]

7F, 3D, 1G:

F: Panarin, Buch, Zib, Kreider, Chytil
D: Trouba, Tony, Lindgren
G: Georgie

Last 2 F slots don't matter as much. I'd go Lemieux and Gauthier

I'm sorry, this is just too obvious to work.

 

[Avery16]

You guys have to remember that most of the prospects aren’t going to pan out.

Dunn is still a prospect. If our prospects cant be relied on, how are we going to fill these gaps after we trade Buch and Kravstov, lose Lemieux?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I'd imagine if a deal presented itself where the team could acquire a legit top 4 LD, they would do it and figure out the expansion complications later.

Which could include paying Seattle to not take a certain player.

There's also a situation where they could acquire a LD, and not have any expansion issues because another D is gone (and by another D, I mean Tony)

Too early to tell at this point

 

[aufheben]

Dunn is still a prospect. If our prospects cant be relied on, how are we going to fill these gaps after we trade Buch and Kravstov, lose Lemieux?

I didn’t say they should trade Kravtsov or Buch. I said Blues fans might want Kravtsov, and Buchnevich could be moved in an unrelated trade.

Dunn has played 3 full NHL seasons. He’s not a prospect.

 

[NYR Viper]

*If they protect Lindgren.

This is true, but if they don’t, then the trade for a Dunn is essentially:

Dunn for CAR 1st + Good prospect (say Hajek) + losing Lindgren in expansion

seems like a bad deal to me

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Which prospect is going to be a top-4 LHD in the next 3-5 years? Miller could take ages if he ever gets there.

I'm not paying that price. If the price is cheaper (lower level prospect/lower draft pick) I might consider Dunn Miller is still a bit raw, but I think he will get there. Robertson could become one; not right away, but could in the 3-5 yr timeline (back end of the timeline, but still)

To give up that package, you need a better player coming back than giving up a 1st and a good prospect.

 

[Avery16]

I'd imagine if a deal presented itself where the team could acquire a legit top 4 LD, they would do it and figure out the expansion complications later.

Which could include paying Seattle to not take a certain player.

There's also a situation where they could acquire a LD, and not have any expansion issues because another D is gone (and by another D, I mean Tony)

Too early to tell at this point

I just dont think our FO would be so risky in acquiring another D before they address our bigger issue at F, much less at the expense of that bigger issue.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Forgot Robertson as well, knew i was missing somebody. He's in Group 1 with Miller & Jones

I think Jones and Robertson have a better chance of being in the NHL than Miller, but if Miller hits his ceiling, he is a franchise D-man

 

[Savant]

So you're basically giving up 23rd overall + prospect + Chytil for Dunn then

No. I am saying evaluate giving up 23rd straight up for Dunn.

if you do, season you can figure out which of Buchnevich (who seems to always be adjacent to being shopped anyway) or Chytil is worth protecting. This is not going to be a popular opinion but if Chytil doesn’t take a leap, he may not be worth protecting. Dunn helps this team quite a lot too.

I would also be curious as to what Canes pick + Buchnevich or Chytil can get; that’s a nice package for a better player than Dunn, and you can take things from there. The only three forwards that it really matters for the Rangers to keep are Panarin, Zibanejad and Kreider. Anyone else is an asset.

They Rangers are not strong at LHD. If Dunn keeps on his trajectory, that is a Krug type player that you get on his second contract. That’s huge.

 

[aufheben]

Forward depth is an issue, but it’s on the bottom end. The top-6 is very good.

 

[Savant]

Maybe after the expansion draft, I'd be more interested. But with that coming up, pass. Especially when you're also suggesting trading Buchnevich.

Buchnevich is a nice player but he isn’t an untouchable. His name has certainly been on the block before.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I just dont think our FO would be so risky in acquiring another D before they address our bigger issue at F, much less at the expense of that bigger issue.

which is why I said "should a deal present itself"

 

[GAGLine]

I don't think St. Louis moves Dunn. He's a pending RFA without arbitration rights. They can lowball him on a bridge deal. He won't be the guy they move to clear cap.

With the emergence of Lindgren, and our limited cap space, I don't see us bringing in any dmen outside of minor depth signings. Not unless we trade DeAngelo.

There's no chance, IMO, that we will go 4/4/1 for the ED protections, whether Buchnevich is traded or not (I don't think he will be).

 

[Avery16]

I didn’t say they should trade Kravtsov or Buch. I said Blues fans might want Kravtsov, and Buchnevich could be moved in an unrelated trade.

Dunn has played 3 full NHL seasons. He’s not a prospect.

Mostly third-pair minutes. He's 23 and is still very much a projection of what they expect.

 

[NYR Viper]

Not if they trade Buchnevich, which is something that could easily happen either way.

See this to me is the wild card and something I’d be more than okay with. There have been rumors of this in the past and with the signing of Kreider, it may mean Buch is gone by next season. As long as Gorton doesn’t go get someone else he needs to protect that opens up a forward slot for Chytil more than likely.

 

[Vitto79]

Main board saying Borgstrom may be available

Andersson for Borgstrom?

 

[Avery16]

Main board saying org Stromboli may be available

Andersson for Borgstrom?

Probably a plus involved, but I would be interested.

 

[Leetch3]

if the blues decide to move Dunn because they can't protect him in the expansion draft I doubt they will move him now for one of our picks...makes more sense to keep him for next year and then unload him before the expansion draft.

 

[Savant]

Not that this hasn't been a pleasant debate, but I fully expect the Blues to make their choice between Pietrangelo and Parayko. I dont think Dunn hits the market.

I strongly disagree with this.

 

[NYR Viper]

I’d be pretty happy if Gorton went the way of:

trade Buch for picks/prospects/expiring contract

trade CAR 1st + Hajek for Dunn

See how Lindgren does in his second year. If he progresses into a top-4 stalwart then you keep the 4 guys on defense and make the forwards work. If he doesn’t, then you go 7-3-1. Either way, Gorton would have options.

I’d also be more apt to spend on someone like Dunn long term than Buch, especially with young guys in Kaako, Gauthier, Andersson, Barron, Kravtsov close to or in the NHL next season.