Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV

[Avery16]

EDM has started good/great, but I would be all for getting their 1st+Pulju in a Kreider trade. They are really vulnerable to injuries and their blueline is so thin. Goaltending is far from super solid. Bad history etc.

Given their start and how the west is kind of weak I would bet on them making the POs, if I had to bet on it, but I wouldn’t at all be surprised if they fell through either...

Why are they trading for Kreider?

 

[Trxjw]

I'm not projecting Puljujarvi as a 4th overall pick anymore than I'm projecting Andersson as a 7th overall pick. What I do see is a guy who has the potential to be a long-term replacement for Kreider in the top-six. Yes, you are sacrificing some of Kreider's physical play, but you're also getting a guy with more skill with the puck. In the end you're hopefully ending up with a big body with speed down the wing who can notch somewhere in the neighborhood of 25 goals per year playing with skilled players.

I believe @BBKers mentioned Julien Gauthier a few days ago as well as a name he had heard. He and Puljujarvi has some similar traits. Big bodies who can score goals and have good speed down the wing. Though Gauthier is guy who favors being in and around the net.

 

[Avery16]

It's been 2 games with an improved Chytil and Mika has been hurt. So it's way too premature to even introduce the word "depth" in relation to our center pool.

agree with this

 

[DutchShamrock]

I don’t think he ever will be a fringe NHLer in the sense of say someone like Vesey. If he can get to a level where he can play a solid shift of 5 on 5 hockey he will be able to contribute with top end plays too.

But I think many are keen to watch him in the EHT tournament where he will face really good quality of opponents, definitely comparable with the NHL level.

If we got Pulju, I would rather see him stay the full year in Liiga. I think he is fully compreable to guys like Blake Wheeler and Kevin Hayes in terms of development curve. Big bodies can take a lot longer to put everything together. Wouldn’t be surprised if Pulju only starts to get close to his potential when he is around 25 y/o like Hayes and Wheeler. And that is of course dependent on Pulju himself aces things from now on when it comes to putting in the effort etc.

I'm concerned that he has been vocal about the mismanagement of his development and opportunity, and then the second he controlled his fate he went home. That in and of itself isn't bad, but he is just exploiting the elements of that league to score. He's wristing from beyond the circles. This is an example of what I mean:

Look, if he has started to drive to the net and build a game that translates, I'll listen. But I'm concerned that he went to a lower league and he just exploited bugs in the video game so to speak. He should have used the competition to work on translatable skills. I'm not following him or watching cips regularly, so if he just used the early season to build confidence and then started scoring in ways that work in Northa America I can get on board. If he is just piling up stats while being set in his ways, this is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[Avery16]

Look, if he has started to drive to the net and build a game that translates, I'll listen. But I'm concerned that he went to a lower league and he just exploited bugs in the video game so to speak. He should have used the competition to work on translatable skills. I'm not following him or watching cips regularly, so if he just used the early season to build confidence and then started scoring in ways that work in Northa America I can get on board. If he is just piling up stats while being set in his ways, this is a disaster waiting to happen.

But has he tried wrap-arounds to freeze the goalie

 

[duhmetreE]

I've been enjoying watching Kreider and Chytil togther with their speed. Kreider creates a lot of space for Chytil and Buch. It's a line with a lot of potential

Add that to the prophesied top line...

Panarin Zibs Kakko
Kreider Chytil Buch

that's a nice top6 but can we afford it? It's easier if Staal cap charge goes away....

and HL... what a bad scenario... playing your worst hockey ever with a massive 8.5M$ cap hit... with 2 budding stars in the org... with a team in a potential cap crunch and the need to make tough decisions.

 

[Ola]

Why are they trading for Kreider?

I have no idea!

 

[Ola]

I'm concerned that he has been vocal about the mismanagement of his development and opportunity, and then the second he controlled his fate he went home. That in and of itself isn't bad, but he is just exploiting the elements of that league to score. He's wristing from beyond the circles. This is an example of what I mean:

Look, if he has started to drive to the net and build a game that translates, I'll listen. But I'm concerned that he went to a lower league and he just exploited bugs in the video game so to speak. He should have used the competition to work on translatable skills. I'm not following him or watching cips regularly, so if he just used the early season to build confidence and then started scoring in ways that work in Northa America I can get on board. If he is just piling up stats while being set in his ways, this is a disaster waiting to happen.

But can we really talk about what works in “North America”? The AHL truly has an awful NHLe for being a farm league for the NHL, way behind the SHL and the KHL last time I checked. And the NHL game is nothing like the AHL game that just is pure 4th line hockey. Boo Nieves style.

 

[Avery16]

Which would you rather have? One of Trouba and ADA getting second pair, second PP unit minutes and both getting top-pair pay and Ryan Strome as your 2C, or Fox getting second pair, second PP unit minutes on an ELC and someone like Dylan Strome as 2C?

As an alternative, Troubas trade protections don’t kick in until July. Locked down long term, he’d be a very attractive add for a team he wouldn’t otherwise have signed with.

 

[Ola]

As an alternative, Troubas trade protections don’t kick in until July. Locked down long term, he’d be a very attractive add for a team he wouldn’t otherwise have signed with.

Gorton wouldn’t go there, and ultimately I think it’s hard to question that.

OTOH, STL pulled a real a-hole move on Berglund and they might not have a cup unless they did (they hurried up and dealt him before PBs agent had time to send in the NTC team, if no list was sent in they could trade him to any team they wanted).

 

[Leetch3]

As an alternative, Troubas trade protections don’t kick in until July. Locked down long term, he’d be a very attractive add for a team he wouldn’t otherwise have signed with.

they aren't trading trouba

 

[Avery16]

Gorton wouldn’t go there, and ultimately I think it’s hard to question that.

OTOH, STL pulled a real a-hole move on Berglund and they might not have a cup unless they did (they hurried up and dealt him before PBs agent had time to send in the NTC team, if no list was sent in they could trade him to any team they wanted).

We did the same with Stepan, basically

 

[Ola]

We shouldn’t trade Lias or Howden IMO. These kids takes time and I think we are pushing both in the right direction and I think both have plenty of room to improve. In particular, I think both guys are made of the right stuff and we need that.

Gorton has agreed to conditions many times before. He should get Holland to agree to a few now. It’s a typical ‘what if trade’. Make it like Lettieri and Keane plus a conditional 4th that can become a 2nd if X happens.

Lundkvist is another kid I would consider dealing for Pulju, but straight up of course if EDM has interest in him.

 

[haohmaru]

Gorton wouldn’t go there, and ultimately I think it’s hard to question that.

OTOH, STL pulled a real a-hole move on Berglund and they might not have a cup unless they did (they hurried up and dealt him before PBs agent had time to send in the NTC team, if no list was sent in they could trade him to any team they wanted).

We traded Leetch on his birthday and benched Staal on Danny G's MSG celebration. We aren't immune to pulling a-hole moves.

 

[Kovalev27]

Did I seriously just read a trade Trouba proposal lol

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Trading Kreider for Puljujarvi would be a disaster. Even if a 1st was included. You can get a 1st and a prospect at the deadline while likely getting Puljujarvi for a 3rd round pick and prospect.

Lastly, too many are undervaluing how important Kreider is in that dressing room with the young kids.

The problem with firsts at the deadline is they are for contending teams who will be picking mid to last in the draft. Kreider isnt staying here, they would have signed him by now so get something of value for him and shake some cap space incase someone else comes available.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

They didn’t sign Trouba for 7 years and make him one of the highest paid D in the league to trade him immediately

Give me a break

 

[haohmaru]

Did I seriously just read a trade Trouba proposal lol

Some of the stuff around here is unreal.

 

[Avery16]

Let’s have five first pair RDs and one top-six C. Sounds like a winning blueprint.

 

[Heckler81]

I've been enjoying watching Kreider and Chytil togther with their speed. Kreider creates a lot of space for Chytil and Buch. It's a line with a lot of potential

Add that to the prophesied top line...

Panarin Zibs Kakko
Kreider Chytil Buch

that's a nice top6 but can we afford it? It's easier if Staal cap charge goes away....

and HL... what a bad scenario... playing your worst hockey ever with a massive 8.5M$ cap hit... with 2 budding stars in the org... with a team in a potential cap crunch and the need to make tough decisions.

Honestly, I rather trade Kreider and have Kravtsov-Chytil-Buch

3rd line would be

Lemieux-Strome-Fast

I would have Howden in the AHL getting ice time and developing defensively.

 

[Kovalev27]

I’d trade Buch and keep Kreider. Slide Kravtsov right into Buchys spot

Kreider Chytil Kravtsov

but I wouldn’t do it till next year. And I’d buy out Marc Staal this summer if anything to give is a few more bucks to work with. We should keep Kreider. I’m sticking to that

 

[RGY]

Let’s have five first pair RDs and one top-six C. Sounds like a winning blueprint.

Little bit dramatic here. No they are not trading Trouba. No not every prospect will blossom into an NHL player, that includes all the D prospects we have. And you know what if and when they do the Rangers will have assets to move to fill a hole somewhere. We arent at that point yet

 

[Mikos87]

Almost quietly he has 4 goals and 11 points in 11 games this season, and 22 goals and 44 points in 74 contests since coming over to the Rangers.

He’a setting himself up for a possible extension, of if that’s not in the cards, a better than expected TDL return.

Either way it's all positive. I still think he's a pacer, but he's been a very smart player out there. I see him as a third line C/RW utility guy. That's a good player to have, and a rare commodity in the NHL.

 

[Mikos87]

Thank you. I thought I was going crazy reading some of the proposals for JP in here. The kids being mentioned in moves for him have at least shown their own personal development year-to-year, despite being surrounded by a weak pool of talent.

I don’t think we have enough pieces in the farm to start moving these guys, or someone like Robertson, to add a project player that maybe will turn into a top-6 forward. I’m happy to see he’s doing well in Finland, but I’m also not convinced he’s totally turned around his game from where it was when he left EDM.

Thanks- it's really what it is. I'm okay with Robertson being moved. Jones is crushing it, you have Key, two 21 year old LHDs on the NHL roster, Rauenen, Rykov. Those are a lot of players to leap frog, and the time horizon is a long one.

To me that's a calculated risk, one that isn't going to hurt your organizational depth to get a guy like JP. Not that there is a fit for EDM, but trading a Howden or Lias for a leap of faith is... exactly what that sounds like.

 

[Mikos87]

I don't doubt that he's a "good guy" - but strikes me more of a middle-of-the-pack soldier than a leader. Don't think he should be near any letter, for a variety of reasons.

I don't see him with a C on his chest, but players respect guys that do the things Strome does for his teammates. You need that with a young team. You really need that. He still paces himself, and isn't a go all out type of guy. But he's been effective, and versatile.

The next captain needs to earn their way. IMO the Rangers gave the C to McDonagh in a rushed fashion. Nash didn't want it, and MSL was on his last year. IMO they should have either had all A's or had a year of MSL.

I think the captaincy really weighed down McDonagh. But giving a A to a good teammate, and a guy that knows the ins and outs with referees on a a team full of kids is not a bad move.