Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV

[Ghost of jas]

Right now, I'd say Kreider and Zibanejad will be here for the long-term.

It's a matter of finding additional pieces in addition to them.

I freely admit, I struggle to envision a scenario in which Chytil and Andersson are both playing center.

I think the odds are pretty significant that at least one is going to end up on the wings or traded for help elsewhere, especially if the Rangers end up taking a center in this draft with a high pick.

I have been with you on seeing Chytil a better fit on the wing. And, frankly, out of our three young center prospects, Howden seems the best fit at the position going forward.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I still would leave Chytil at center ice. I just think that’s where he belongs. He’s got everything you want in a center.

Except for understanding and awareness for the position.

 

[MetalJaws]

Lias - Chytil - Kravtsov great 3rd line next year.

Lias played wing enough, hard on the fore-check and skilled enough to make plays from the wing.
Chytil needs to mature a bit, but also play with guys that have the young hockey mind and lots of energy. Also, he is more of a play-maker than a goal scorer.
Kravtsov is super skilled and has great hands. Needs to be the guy responsible for Offense on the line.

This is great because it allows Howden who's playing well and Zib to have the veteran guys to produce and learn from. Hayes should be moved.

 

[Machinehead]

This is funny in light of re-reading the Brass/Mika trade thread.

 

[True Blue]

Cody McLeod:

doesn't hit
sucks at fights
doesn't score
doesn't get any points whatsoever
Doesn't enforce anything

Mcleaod in fact does hit and is 4th on the team, which is saying something given he is playing the least amount of minutes. He goes to the net at all times and is always noticeable. Which rookie are you inserting to play 7 minutes a night from the 4th line that will make a material difference? And would be good for them to play that little?

 

[Ghost of jas]

Names-Mika-Buch
Kreids-Hayes-Spooner
Vesey-Howden-Fast (McLeod skated here since JF had a maintenance day)
Chytil-Lias-Vinni

I’d like to see Spooner and Chytil swapped. I think someone posted how much better Chytil was playing on Hayes’ wing.

 

[True Blue]

Hayes is a third line center on a good team. We already have younger and cheaper options (with great growth potential) on hand to fill that job

The younger, cheaper options are not better than him right now and will not be for a while. If ever.

Look, I am all for trading him if the returns are great. But if he can play in Quinn's system and play well, then he is young enough to be here on the other side of the rebuild. His play has been greatly underrated around here.

 

[Mikos87]

The primary thing that improves faceoff ability is experience.

Or Practice. Lots of it. Till then he can improve his skills on the walls. He's not man strong yet, but once he is... Watch out.

 

[Tawnos]

Or Practice. Lots of it. Till then he can improve his skills on the walls. He's not man strong yet, but once he is... Watch out.

Well, experience happens in practice too, but the player has to be playing center in practice to gain that experience. If he's not slotted at center in games, he's not going to be doing much of it in practice either.

 

[Do you want ants]

Mcleaod in fact does hit and is 4th on the team, which is saying something given he is playing the least amount of minutes. He goes to the net at all times and is always noticeable. Which rookie are you inserting to play 7 minutes a night from the 4th line that will make a material difference? And would be good for them to play that little?

My goal would be to play rookies/players on the 4th line that can actually contribute so they don’t have to be limited to 7-8 minutes a game Bc they’re a detriment...

 

[True Blue]

My goal would be to play rookies/players on the 4th line that can actually contribute so they don’t have to be limited to 7-8 minutes a game Bc they’re a detriment...

Who is going to contribute playing 7 minutes a night with the likes of Lettieri? Don't see how McLeod has been a detriment to this team. Sorry. The fact is that management likes what he does bring to the team, especially a young team.

 

[Do you want ants]

Who is going to contribute playing 7 minutes a night with the likes of Lettieri? Don't see how McLeod has been a detriment to this team. Sorry. The fact is that management likes what he does bring to the team, especially a young team.

Pretty much anyone on the top two lines in Hartford. There is no rule saying you have to have a terrible 4th line and can only play them 7 minutes a night. Boyle and Dorsett played more than 7 a night and contributed. Why not try and emulate that instead of a plug who offers nothing. I’m sure anyone could miss the Net by 20ft like he did the other night.

That’s fine that you and the team feel that way. I don’t. I think he should have been cut after The Nashville game last year (really should have never signed him at all).

 

[True Blue]

Pretty much anyone on the top two lines in Hartford. There is no rule saying you have to have a terrible 4th line and can only play them 7 minutes a night. Boyle and Dorsett played more than 7 a night and contributed. Why not try and emulate that instead of a plug who offers nothing. I’m sure anyone could miss the Net by 20ft like he did the other night.

Boyle and Dorsett were also suited to play that little. I would rather our top prospects play major minutes in Hartford instead of minimal minutes on the 4th line in the NHL.

 

[Edge]

I have been with you on seeing Chytil a better fit on the wing. And, frankly, out of our three young center prospects, Howden seems the best fit at the position going forward.

I think Howden is a center --- period.

How high the offense goes is the question, but to me he's at home in the middle.

I just don't see one of Howden-Chytil-Andersson sticking on the fourth line long-term, and I don't know if I see a prime and healthy Zibanejad being moved. Then you factor in the possibility of taking a center in this draft (not a given), and suddenly you have 5 intriguing players for the 3 top center spots.

Even with the Rangers not going with a center, I would think has to move at some point.

 

[Kovalev27]

Except for understanding and awareness for the position.

He’s friggen 19 years old. That’s the easiest part to learn for a gifted offensive guy like him.

 

[kovazub94]

Personally, I think his contract would be the thing they'd give the most consideration to.

Having said that, at this point I don't think he goes unless the Rangers get absolutely blown away by an offer that they absolutely cannot pass up.

Even if the Rangers draft a center, Zibanejad would be the only established NHL scoring center on the roster. Assuming that Hayes is traded, I think the Rangers would rather wait and see how things shake out. I think they'd rather move kids like Andersson and Chytil to the wings before they went ahead and started trading someone like Zibanejad.

Or move Zibanejad to the wing if they draft Hughes and one of our 3 center prospects develops into a better player than Z.

 

[kovazub94]

The Rangers traded Stepan at 27 because 1) they were concerned about his play in the last 4 years of his contract(ages 27-31) and 2) his NTC was starting that 7/1.

Brooks was writing the Rangers were not trading Stepan without getting back a top pair RD. They didn’t get back a top pair RD. ADA doesn’t qualify as a top pair RD. Carpiniello said he was a thrown in in the Stepan trade. The Rangers still moved Stepan.

How old will Hayes be? 27 when his next contract starts and he is a getting a NTC. Whether it’s a full NTC or a limited NTC. He will be getting a NTC. His next contract will take him into his early to mid 30’s.

Zibanejad has a full NMC in all 3 remaining seasons. Do the Rangers move him too? They moved Stepan before his NTC started.

The difference is that Stepan was starting to slow down and showing signs of wear and tear. Both Zibanejad and Hayes are still getting better though they both probably reaching their peaks this season.

Again, Hayes trade will have nothing to do with his performance. It will have everything to do with the team.

 

[Kovalev27]

I move Zibanejad to wing if we draft that franchise center no doubt. He’s a shooter he’d be great on the wing especially a few years down the line. I don’t move him at all.

Just saying

Panarin Hughes Zibanejad
Kreider Chytil Kravstov
Andersson Howden Fast

All day.

 

[Do you want ants]

Boyle and Dorsett were also suited to play that little. I would rather our top prospects play major minutes in Hartford instead of minimal minutes on the 4th line in the NHL.

I’m not talking about top prospects or prospects. I’m talking Fogarty, Lindqvist, Holland, beleskey/Nieves (when healthly). Really anyone would be fine replacing his minutes.

 

[kovazub94]

I move Zibanejad to wing if we draft that franchise center no doubt. He’s a shooter he’d be great on the wing especially a few years down the line. I don’t move him at all.

Just saying

Panarin Hughes Zibanejad
Kreider Chytil Kravstov
Andersson Howden Buchnevich
Vesey - Someone good - Fast
All day.

Fixed it. You're welcome!

 

[Kovalev27]

Think they’ll pay buchy 5 mil long term? I don’t honestly.

 

[Kovalev27]

Vesey either. They won’t pay him anything to play 4th line behind those guys. He’ll be gone too at some point when prices himself out

 

[Ghost of jas]

I move Zibanejad to wing if we draft that franchise center no doubt. He’s a shooter he’d be great on the wing especially a few years down the line. I don’t move him at all.

Just saying

Panarin Hughes Zibanejad
Kreider Chytil Kravstov
Andersson Howden Fast

All day.

Solid idea to move the natural center to wing for the forward you think can be a center.

 

[kovazub94]

The younger, cheaper options are not better than him right now and will not be for a while. If ever.

Look, I am all for trading him if the returns are great. But if he can play in Quinn's system and play well, then he is young enough to be here on the other side of the rebuild. His play has been greatly underrated around here.

1. If ever? Nobody can predict the future but would you put your money on it (that none Chytil, Howden or Andersson will become better, or possibly even someone they will draft in 2019)?
2. Not for a while? Very possibly it will happen within the next two seasons (after this one). Hayes wants an extension for 6-7 years.

 

[kovazub94]

Solid idea to move the natural center to wing for the forward you think can be a center.

He said "if we draft that franchise center" so his assumption is that Hughes will be better than Zibanejad at center.