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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV

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RangerBoy said:
We need more discussion on this board about the Rangers almost winning the Cup in 2014. Unfortunately, they don't hand out trophies for that. Maybe the Rangers can raise a Stanley Cup finalist banner from 2013-14.

I want the Rangers to build a team which can win a championship. A team which will be a top contender for the next 6-7-8 years and a team which can win a few Cups in that period. Not one of these teams which challenges and always falls short.

The Rangers played the most playoff games from 2011-12 to 2014-15. Brooks always mentions that. As Derrick Coleman once said "Whoop-de-damn-do".
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The problem that some people have with your point of view is:

1.) Draft picks are a crapshoot. We could finish dead last and still not end up with the 1st overall pick. A top 5 pick is nice but it doesn't mean a damned thing (see: Edmonton) if you don't build the right way around them with the right kinds of players (vets, young guys, character guys, 1st and 2nd year pros, etc...)

2.) You're constantly characterizing younger guys (like Hayes, 26) as if they're over the hill and should be traded for even more picks. At some point you have to keep some of your talent. Particularly if it's a guy you drafted or developed.

3.) Your version of that you think the Rangers should be building also isn't going to guarantee anything either.

4.) There's no magic formula to winning a cup. You have to draft smart, You have to have the right coaching staff in place to match the team you've assembled, you have to manage the cap intelligently, you have to have leaders in the room, you have to have luck through an extended playoff run, you have to have minimal injuries during that playoff run, etc...

Winning the Stanley Cup has become harder and harder as the NHL progresses and the Cap, and the subsequent parity, magnifies that.

97% of NHL teams fail to win a Stanley Cup EVERY year. That's a lot of failure.

Yeah, I would've liked to win the Cup during the timespan you mentioned. Came close. Didn't. Still pretty proud of that group of guys that achieved more than most of us around here would've thought they could. I get that that isn't enough for you but I'd venture that most of the posts in this "Roster Building" thread are by Rangers fans that want to win a Cup that have a differing viewpoint on how to get there. Maybe you should be a little more tolerant about those alternatives and a little less snarky with those that have a different vision than yours. Seems like we all want the same thing.
 
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haohmaru said:
The problem that some people have with your point of view is:

1.) Draft picks are a crapshoot. We could finish dead last and still not end up with the 1st overall pick. A top 5 pick is nice but it doesn't mean a damned thing (see: Edmonton) if you don't build the right way around them with the right kinds of players (vets, young guys, character guys, 1st and 2nd year pros, etc...)

2.) You're constantly characterizing younger guys (like Hayes, 26) as if they're over the hill and should be traded for even more picks. At some point you have to keep some of your talent. Particularly if it's a guy you drafted or developed.

3.) Your version of that you think the Rangers should be building also isn't going to guarantee anything either.

4.) There's no magic formula to winning a cup. You have to draft smart, You have to have the right coaching staff in place to match the team you've assembled, you have to manage the cap intelligently, you have to have leaders in the room, you have to have luck through an extended playoff run, you have to have minimal injuries during that playoff run, etc...

Winning the Stanley Cup has become harder and harder as the NHL progresses and the Cap, and the subsequent parity, magnifies that.

97% of NHL teams fail to win a Stanley Cup EVERY year. That's a lot of failure.

Yeah, I would've liked to win the Cup during the timespan you mentioned. Came close. Didn't. Still pretty proud of that group of guys that achieved more than most of us around here would've thought they could. I get that that isn't enough for you but I'd venture that most of the posts in this "Roster Building" thread are by Rangers fans that want to win a Cup that have a differing viewpoint on how to get there. Maybe you should be a little more tolerant about those alternatives and a little less snarky with those that have a different vision than yours. Seems like we all want the same thing.
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Same few cup winners the past decade. I’m not so sure it’s difficult as it is extremely formulaic. Atleast two top picks and a decent supporting cast. The top picks are necessary though.
 
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We need to focus on wingers now, Kravtsov is the only real good option right now in this organizations prospect pool and all the talk of moving people like Zuc and Namestnicov might not even happen as we have little coming up the pipe to replace them, we have great depth at center and I believe at D. The wings need focus now.
 
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We made it to the cup with a group that consisted with a mix of veterans and a hoemgrowns that were not all 1st round picks. Not one superstar that was a top pick. We have had 5 1st round picks the last two years. We will have more this upcoming draft. Whethere they are lottery picks or not, if the scouting department and management cannot find a great player or two in all of those FIRST ROUND picks then we have bigger problems.

Tanking for a top pick that may or may not pan out is such a crapshoot. Of course I would love to have a Jack Hughes but there are no guarantees even with him. Build the right culture here with Quinn. Compete. Dont surround your young kids such as LA, Chytil, and Howden with a detrimental losing environment.

There is not one way to do this. They will still rebuild but we dont have to sell everything and the kitchen sink in the process.
 
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I'd have no problem re-signing Kev. Rangers don't have any long term deals other than Zib, they have a lot of cap maneuverability, and it's not a guarantee all of our centers work out anyway.
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I would love if he could play Wing or if chytl and Howden could slide to wing it would solve that issue but it seems they all want to play center. I like Kevin, I really do but he isnt elite and it would be a massive disappointment if none of Howden, Chytil or Andersson could take the #2 center spot and put up 50 points like Hayes is. Small sample size but I could see any of them in that spot. It just basically comes down to what our organizational needs are unfortunately. I'm ok with it either way but I think the organization would rather move him and recoup assets than commit to him long term as a center.
 
RGY said:
We made it to the cup with a group that consisted with a mix of veterans and a hoemgrowns that were not all 1st round picks. Not one superstar that was a top pick. We have had 5 1st round picks the last two years. We will have more this upcoming draft. Whethere they are lottery picks or not, if the scouting department and management cannot find a great player or two in all of those FIRST ROUND picks then we have bigger problems.

Tanking for a top pick that may or may not pan out is such a crapshoot. Of course I would love to have a Jack Hughes but there are no guarantees even with him. Build the right culture here with Quinn. Compete. Dont surround your young kids such as LA, Chytil, and Howden with a detrimental losing environment.

There is not one way to do this. They will still rebuild but we dont have to sell everything and the kitchen sink in the process.
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I agree with this, I think the tank severely ruined the oilers and Sabres by making losing an acceptable result. Building the right culture is important to creating a winning team and I think this coach has started it perfectly.
 
Multiple industry sources confirmed to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette recently that the Penguins are listening to offers on Sprong, although it’s less clear whether they’re actually hearing anything.

Opposing general managers typically aren’t clamoring for players in Sprong’s situation, but as one source said, it might be “easy to move a sour apple for sour apple.”
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As Penguins gauge interest, Daniel Sprong saga nears fascinating stretch

Do it Gorts. Right the wrong from 2015.

This has been the worst kept secret around town since late last year. Sully isn't a fan of Sprong's style of game and Sprong hasn't been able to cash in playing next to Crosby, Malkin, or Brassard. Kid needs a change.
 
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Trxjw said:
As Penguins gauge interest, Daniel Sprong saga nears fascinating stretch

Do it Gorts. Right the wrong from 2015.

This has been the worst kept secret around town since late last year. Sully isn't a fan of Sprong's style of game and Sprong hasn't been able to cash in playing next to Crosby, Malkin, or Brassard. Kid needs a change.
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Sound Spooner-esque, needs a change of scenary. Although Spooner has not been nearly as good as he was last year here. He is also getting minutes with McLeod...
 
Even though I like Hayes and think he's underrated here, I wouldn't mind him back at a reasonable cost. Is that likely? Probably not, but if we can trade him for assets AND still sign him next year for cheap-ish (because he loves his bromance with Brady and Jimothy), go for it.
 
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Kevin Hayes has scored more than 20 goals once and never broken 50 points.

He’s come a long way, and is a good player, but let’s not pretend we’re debating whether we’re signing Ryan O’Reilly long term here either.
 
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Hayes being good should mean he gets more than a late 1st and a prospect, which makes it worth wild for the Rangers.
 
haohmaru said:
The problem that some people have with your point of view is:

1.) Draft picks are a crapshoot. We could finish dead last and still not end up with the 1st overall pick. A top 5 pick is nice but it doesn't mean a damned thing (see: Edmonton) if you don't build the right way around them with the right kinds of players (vets, young guys, character guys, 1st and 2nd year pros, etc...)

2.) You're constantly characterizing younger guys (like Hayes, 26) as if they're over the hill and should be traded for even more picks. At some point you have to keep some of your talent. Particularly if it's a guy you drafted or developed.

3.) Your version of that you think the Rangers should be building also isn't going to guarantee anything either.

4.) There's no magic formula to winning a cup. You have to draft smart, You have to have the right coaching staff in place to match the team you've assembled, you have to manage the cap intelligently, you have to have leaders in the room, you have to have luck through an extended playoff run, you have to have minimal injuries during that playoff run, etc...

Winning the Stanley Cup has become harder and harder as the NHL progresses and the Cap, and the subsequent parity, magnifies that.

97% of NHL teams fail to win a Stanley Cup EVERY year. That's a lot of failure.

Yeah, I would've liked to win the Cup during the timespan you mentioned. Came close. Didn't. Still pretty proud of that group of guys that achieved more than most of us around here would've thought they could. I get that that isn't enough for you but I'd venture that most of the posts in this "Roster Building" thread are by Rangers fans that want to win a Cup that have a differing viewpoint on how to get there. Maybe you should be a little more tolerant about those alternatives and a little less snarky with those that have a different vision than yours. Seems like we all want the same thing.
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The reason that Edmonton is bad is because they have poor management and can’t find talent in the later rounds.
 
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Trxjw said:
As Penguins gauge interest, Daniel Sprong saga nears fascinating stretch

Do it Gorts. Right the wrong from 2015.

This has been the worst kept secret around town since late last year. Sully isn't a fan of Sprong's style of game and Sprong hasn't been able to cash in playing next to Crosby, Malkin, or Brassard. Kid needs a change.
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With all due respect, if he can’t cash in playing with Crosby or Malkin, 2 of the greatest hockey players of all time, what makes you think he’ll fair better here with this far less talented roster?
 
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I agree with those saying we should/could focus on a wing in this upcoming draft moreso than a center. Not saying ignore C, but we spent 2 1sts on centers a year ago. Really just go with whoever the best player available is.

The more and more I’ve seen the more I’d be happy to pick 3-5 and snag Podkolzin. Kid is gonna be a stud.

Continue the (semi) tank. Grab this kid.
 
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