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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV

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thethirdhockeyman91 said:
Last ranger to score 70 points or more was Gaborik in 2012. That’s ****ing pathetic. We desperately need Nylander. I would give up Skjei, Kreider + for Willie. Call me crazy but Rangers probably need Nylander more than any team.
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I don`t see Nylander fit here at all. Besides W. Nylander is a 61 pts. guy on a top line with an elite prospect in A. Matthews. I`m sceptical about the latest rumor concerning Nylander to Rangers. Jeff G. should avoid that move at all cost, and you don`t move your few top 4 talented defenders in Skjei when it take years to develop new one who was newly drafted in 2018.
 
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I don’t see it either, I really don’t.

I feel like I’d have to view any Rangers offer in a vacuum, squint really hard, and take a giant leap of faith to make it even borderline believable.

Forget the Rangers willingness to move the necessary parts, forget whether Nylander is a 70 point winger on this team now or in the foreseeable future, I just don’t see it from Toronto’s perspective.
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If Skjei were a righty, there'd be a great fit; as it, however, we need Shatty to step up to become as desirable as he was in St. Louis, otherwise I don't see a fit either.
 
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I personally just don’t see how taking the risk of gambling on how good he actually is away from AM and that offense is a good or smart move for Gorton at this moment. Costs assets and capital. Keep course and go after Panarin with that money. Save other assets for a better deal in a year.
 
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Thinking about it made me cognizant that I would be ok trading maybe Skjei and Bucha. If that was the case though it would be a big time deal and it would probably be better to wait a year and add a prospect and a pick to that.

I think we see a really big time trade this coming offseason or next trade deadline.
 
A lot of the issues with Sprong right now are reminiscent of Buchnevich's learning curve in the NHL. Supremely skilled but needs to improve the other areas of his game. The Pens aren't in a situation where they can work a player like that into their lineup. If we could get Sprong in a Zucc deal I'd be thrilled. He'd be a great piece to add.
 
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Toronto would take Pionk or DeAngelo I think, their cap issues are only getting worse going forward. If they could get a cheap dman and keep Gardiner because of it that would be like getting 2 dmen imo, we would have to add to that but I think they would like the low cap hit. I dont see us being the best option though and I would think they would move him to the west.
 
Such a tough call on what it would take to get Nylander. RHD (Pionk/ADA/Staal @ 50% retained), Buchnevich, and either a draft pick or another prospect. I don't know though. They would at least be getting a young forward back and not just some rental.

But I definitely want to find a way to get this kid. We have the cap space and we have assets that may be attractive to Toronto. They are going for it. They are quickly transitioning from the rebuild to cup contender because of Matthews establishing himself and the addition of Tavares among the rest of the group. And while there may be concerns regarding the Nylander-Matthews correlation for production, there is still an elite skillset evident with Nylander that you are banking on the continued development of. You could also add an elite scorer in Panarin to play with him by next season, while still having guys like Kravtsov and Chytil development in progress.

But yeah I doubt we end up with Nylander unfortunately. Toronto has a decision to make soon. It would be a waste of his development and an asset to not have him play at all this season.
 
We might need Nylander more than any other team, but unfortunately, other teams have more attractive assets for Toronto to trade him for.
 
I have never seen Sprong play. But just in general, the problem with kids like that is 9/10 times that they just aren't skilled enough. Flash just isn't an indication of an overall high skill level, and if you aren't a better player overall than the guys in the NHL that flash won't have much impact.
 
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Lone Ranger said:
We might need Nylander more than any other team, but unfortunately, other teams have more attractive assets for Toronto to trade him for.
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I don't know, NHL GMs aren't making trades. How many teams would call in on Nyls? You could of course be right. I think odds are like 19/20 that he resigns in Toronto. Tough negotiations in general often drags on to the deadline -- in this case that deadline is coming up.

If he isn't signed he could also sit out.

If he is actually traded -- of course a team like Carolina would make a pitch and so forth, I wouldn't give us 50+% shot to get something done. But I do think we would be in the running.
 
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I'd rather not trade the assets it's going to require to acquire nylander.
Panarin is better and can be had for free.
 
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thethirdhockeyman91 said:
Last ranger to score 70 points or more was Gaborik in 2012. That’s ****ing pathetic. We desperately need Nylander. I would give up Skjei, Kreider + for Willie. Call me crazy but Rangers probably need Nylander more than any team.
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It’s not pathetic. It’s expected given AV’s allocation of ice time. The only one on the team that even had a chance was Zuccarello.
 
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Y'all have to factor certain players the coach really likes. He uses Pionk a lot. Doesn't criticize him for his mistakes. I don't see JG trading him. I don't see Quinn wanting to lose him.

Quinn seems like a reasonable guy. This isn't some situation where a cartoon character like Colin Campbell is going to want Zubov booted off a team because of a personal vendetta.
 
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Y'all have to factor certain players the coach really likes. He uses Pionk a lot. Doesn't criticize him for his mistakes. I don't see JG trading him. I don't see Quinn wanting to lose him.

Quinn seems like a reasonable guy. This isn't some situation where a cartoon character like Colin Campbell is going to want Zubov booted off a team because of a personal vendetta.
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I think it has more to do with them not being willing to go crazy to get the player. If Toronto wanted Pionk for Nylander, I can’t imagine that he was a breaking point for the Rangers, it was probably the other pieces.

The organization does have a habit of falling in love with the wrong guys though. To his credit, we don’t know if Pionk is the wrong guy or the right guy yet, he’s shown flashes of being both.
 
How are people saying they don’t see the timing or fit being right for bringing in a 22 year old first line right shooting right winger?

I can see saying maybe you don’t think we have the pieces but saying the timing and fit isn’t there is literally absurd.

When is it a fit when he’s 30? Kids like this don’t grow on trees. We never have elite talent in their prime. Go get him
 
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I think they'd be better off trying to use Zucc, Hayes, Shattenkirk, Smith, Spooner, Namestnikov, Vesey, Fast as currency on the trade front. That may not fit into Nylander and it may take a while but some or all of that group should be able to return some good stuff they could use to add to Chytil, Lias, Howden, Kravtsov, Miller, etc.
 
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I think they'd be better off trying to use Zucc, Hayes, Shattenkirk, Smith, Spooner, Namestnikov, Vesey, Fast as currency on the trade front. That may not fit into Nylander and it may take a while but some or all of that group should be able to return some good stuff they could use to add to Chytil, Lias, Howden, Kravtsov, Miller, etc.
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No question but that should be s separate conversation I agree completely. I also agree that we should go hard for this kid.
 
The payday Nylander is looking for, plus the assets it'll cost us to acquire him (Kravtsov+/ Chytil+) makes it an easy no from me.
 
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