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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV

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Nash was also more of a priority to move, because they'd lose him for nothing if they didn't trade him.

I would imagine there wasn't quite that same sense or urgency when it came to Zucc.

This year, if the Rangers are making deals, Hayes and Zucc will be the priorities. That's why, even if the Rangers are somewhat interested in moving someone like Shattenkirk, there's not quite that time restraint hanging over their heads. (Not that I think they are moving him at this point).
 
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Nash was also more of a priority to move, because they'd lose him for nothing if they didn't trade him.

I would imagine there wasn't quite that same sense or urgency when it came to Zucc.

This year, if the Rangers are making deals, Hayes and Zucc will be the priorities. That's why, even if the Rangers are somewhat interested in moving someone like Shattenkirk, there's not quite that time restraint hanging over their heads. (Not that I think they are moving him at this point).
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Good point. There were also rumors that the team was close to trading Zucc, but with the McDonagh deal going down to the wire they weren't able to get it done.
 
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I feel like the probability stats aren't good for young players who struggle to start their pro careers.

For every one that pulls it out it feels like 99 others just never reach their potential. Reclamations are just not worth the cost of investment, unless they're essentially free like Puempel.
 
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I feel like the probability stats aren't good for young players who struggle to start their pro careers.

For every one that pulls it out it feels like 99 others just never reach their potential. Reclamations are just not worth the cost of investment, unless they're essentially free like Puempel.
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I think that's where the approach aspect comes into play.

In Zucc's case, you've got the first. So do you go the safer route with a prospect, or do you go riskier with a chance for a greater reward?

That doesn't just apply to Sprong or the Zucc trade, it's probably a pretty good general question for the Rangers right now. They have a lot of prospects who have shown promise as potential core pieces, so what's the balance for this TDL? Do they keep the same approach, or do they feel they have the leeway to maybe take a chance or two somewhere?
 
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I think that's where the approach aspect comes into play.

In Zucc's case, you've got the first. So do you go the safer route with a prospect, or do you go riskier with a chance for a greater reward?

That doesn't just apply to Sprong or the Zucc trade, it's probably a pretty good general question for the Rangers right now. They have a lot of prospects who have shown promise as potential core pieces, so what's the balance for this TDL? Do they keep the same approach, or do they feel they have the leeway to maybe take a chance or two somewhere?
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My feeling is that they go for the reward. I mentioned this earlier about Hayes. To me, there's about a 95% chance the Rangers develop a player as good as Hayes. The likelihood is pretty high that they develop a player like Zuccarello too. This is between the prospects they already have and the ones they will be drafting. But can they develop an 80-90 point guy? They have to give themselves as much of a chance to as they can, and going for a safer prospect with a lower ceiling isn't going to do that. Even if the prospect busts, the risk is worth it. It's the Enver Lisin/Lauri Korpikoski debate all over again.
 
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Zucc was on pace for 55 pts before his injury.

I could see him sign in Pittsburgh to go play with Hagelin and Brass again in the offseason.
Zucc + Crosby would be terrible for us.
God I hate the penguins.
 
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I'll go out on a limb and say I don't think Zucc's reputation has dropped as much around the league as it has here.
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Agreed. If you hook Zuccarello to the wing of an elite center, he'd be a really attractive piece for a contender's playoff run.
 
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Agreed. If you hook Zuccarello to the wing of an elite center, he'd be a really attractive piece for a contender's playoff run.
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Something I’ve never understood. Why don’t teams acquire rentals earlier than the deadline? With all of the stories about rental players struggling to find their place in the short regular season time after the deadline, wouldn’t it make more sense to get a guy you want earlier and let him settle in?

I guess the answer here is that the deadline is when the price the buyers want to pay and the price the sellers want to get converge around the same place. Still, if I were a GM I’d try to get in early.
 
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It's also (Pretty annoyingly) an inevitability that Nylander would go from a 60 point player with the Leafs to a 50 point player for us. Right after getting paid as a 60 point player.
 
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Something I’ve never understood. Why don’t teams acquire rentals earlier than the deadline? With all of the stories about rental players struggling to find their place in the short regular season time after the deadline, wouldn’t it make more sense to get a guy you want earlier and let him settle in?

I guess the answer here is that the deadline is when the price the buyers want to pay and the price the sellers want to get converge around the same place. Still, if I were a GM I’d try to get in early.
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I've always felt it was strange too. I hear the same canned answers about how teams are waiting for the market to be established, or how it takes longer to sort out the buyers and sellers, but there are situations the Rangers find themselves in with teams all around the league each year. Im surprised it doesn't happen earlier on a regular basis.

Regarding the Rangers and Zuccarello specifically, I know he was on pace for his traditional point totals before the injury, but his recent interviews and nightly play give me the impression that he's sort of mentally checked out. He is far from the sparkplug for this team that he used to be. It could be beneficial to both parties to cut the chord earlier than the trade deadline.
 
Toronto is looking for a solid defensive Dman, not an offensive Dman. If they can get a player that does both fine, but Shatty ain't that person.
 
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