Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV

[NYR Viper]

Guys like Hayes, Namestnikov, Shattenkirk and Vesey playing well is nothing but good for this franchise. Up their value. I doubt the front office has a qualm with moving any of them should the opportunity present itself. Andersson, Chytil and Howden are all playing regular minutes. ADA and Pionk are both playing big minutes on the backend. I have minor complaints with some of the useage of some of the players but overall Quinn has come in and gotten the players to buy in.

Vesey has developed himself into a PKer as well this season. Increase his value around the league for teams looking for secondary scoring.

The Rangers can move Hayes and Zuccarello without hurting their overall depth much. They have Chytil and Andersson looking for more minutes and a guy like Spooner playing on the 4th line.

Same goes for McQuaid on the back-end.

As far as long term would it be helpful to have the 1st overall? Of course. But that’s not guaranteed even if you finish with 20 points to finish the year. What Gorton seems to be doing is finding ways to increase the number of picks in the first two rounds allowing his scouts to take multiple high level prospects. The team plays well, they move a few guys again at the deadline, the team again picks 3x in the first round. Rinse and repeat for next season with guys like Vesey, Namestnikov, Spooner and possibly someone like Shattenkirk.

 

[Fitzy]

I don't think rebuilding teams usually look at players who are 25-26 that are playing well and automatically assume that they'll be gone by the time the team is competitive.

29-31 is different.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

As this season moves along my trade bait has adjusted.
Guys I'd move now, Shattenkirk, Zuccatello, Spooner, McQuaid, Smith and Staal(last two not happening),but we really need to open up space for Claussen, Hajek and Gilmour maybe. Hayes I'm open to keeping on a reasonable contract, that doesn't look possible now so hes likely gone.
I'm interested in keeping Namestnicov this year and revisit it next year.
For me, Zuc to Edmonton for Puuijarvi. Hayes for Nic Petan and a 3rd in Winnipeg.Shattenkirk (some money held back) to toronto for Jake Gardiner(signed). Spooner for a 2nd somewhere. I think those moves would add players that are age appropriate for the rebuild.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Guys like Hayes, Namestnikov, Shattenkirk and Vesey playing well is nothing but good for this franchise. Up their value. I doubt the front office has a qualm with moving any of them should the opportunity present itself. Andersson, Chytil and Howden are all playing regular minutes. ADA and Pionk are both playing big minutes on the backend. I have minor complaints with some of the useage of some of the players but overall Quinn has come in and gotten the players to buy in.

Vesey has developed himself into a PKer as well this season. Increase his value around the league for teams looking for secondary scoring.

The Rangers can move Hayes and Zuccarello without hurting their overall depth much. They have Chytil and Andersson looking for more minutes and a guy like Spooner playing on the 4th line.

Same goes for McQuaid on the back-end.

As far as long term would it be helpful to have the 1st overall? Of course. But that’s not guaranteed even if you finish with 20 points to finish the year. What Gorton seems to be doing is finding ways to increase the number of picks in the first two rounds allowing his scouts to take multiple high level prospects. The team plays well, they move a few guys again at the deadline, the team again picks 3x in the first round. Rinse and repeat for next season with guys like Vesey, Namestnikov, Spooner and possibly someone like Shattenkirk.

This is exactly how it should be, and how I described the rebuild from its earliest moments. And yet people CONTINUE with the either you’re competing for the cup or you’re tanking narrative.

 

[East Coast Bias]

All right, who hijacked RB's account?

This is the new thing. Each win brings an early morning sarcastic self-loathing rant.

 

[WeRa]

William Nylander, 22 years, C/RW .. very gifted, promising, highly offensively skilled. He played in 185 games and gained 48 goals and 87 assists... totaly 135 pts... 0,72PPG. Max 22 goals and max 61 pts (twice) in one year. Is it enough to give him what he wants - $8M per year for 7-8 years? IMO we need someone like Zucc more. And the price? Hayes + Vesey? Or Pionk + Namestnikov?

BTW I like Nylander and I would like to see him in the Rangers jersey..

 

[WeRa]

 

[JohnC]

This is the new thing. Each win brings an early morning sarcastic self-loathing rant.

RangerBoy meltdowns are the best part of the rebuild imo.

His tears make it all the more worth it.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Can we please leave Pionk alone? You know who else had trouble defending his first 3-4 years in the league? Sergei Zubov, and that was after the Cup win.

After all these years of "boring" DMen this franchise has finally found a few young offensive DMen who are on ELCs and look to be part of this core for the next 5-7 years in Pionk and TDA. Don't trade Peter to pay Paul. Pionk looks to be a very Raflaski-ish player. Quinn really loves him (Howden, Pionk, Ziba, and Georgiev are four guys he has singled out in a positive light). He keeps this up and he'll put up 400 points in this league minimum.

As for back to the roster, Zuc is looking more and more like the odd man out at the TDL especially with the team playing so well. I think the roster is fine now. Hayes is playing his way to a five year extension. For this year I'm hoping Gettinger who is on pace for 25-30 goals at the A level is the callup. Him or Fogarty can replace Zucc and Spooner as regulars.

Next year figure Kravstov and a UFA (Panarin? LOL).

Namestnikov has been much much better. He's fine for a short term and with salary retained may bring back a nice package.

Cleasson has been a fine 3rd pair/7th. Problem is it might be a numbers game with him next year as LHD are pretty crowded especially with Hajek developing.

So to sum it up, Zuc is a likely trade candidate and then trading any or all of Staal/Smith/Shattenkirk/Spooner even for a bag of pucks or a "hope" draft pick (5th-7th rounder and take a skinny Euro leaguer or a longterm NCAA project) is a win.

 

[Mikos87]

I think Willie Nylander is a lock for a 65 point season for the next 7-8 years. Maybe even more.

Unless the deal is a total riff job of the leafs, I don't think the Rangers have the assets to pull off a deal and pay the $8M that Willie's agent has been pushing for.

We know they want a RHD, and more than likely they'll want a scorer as well to insulate the offense further. You don't trade 60 points out without trying time replace some of that.

The trade that makes the most sense to me is Dougie Hamilton straight up because it gives the leafs that defense they need, replaces the offense and they get cost certainty.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

One of these names has to move for us to have a chance at Nylander. If not, we can forget it.

Skjei, Kreider, Zibanejad, Buchnevich, Chytil, Andersson, Kravtsov, Shestyorkin

Personally, I think we should forget it. Nylander's PPG took a pretty big ht last season when Matthews was out of the lineup (.80 PPG with Matthews in the lineup, .55 PPG without). Not really interested in parting with good players and also overpaying this kid.

 

[pld459666]

Nylander is more than a nice player and right now Pionk isn't defending at an NHL level. Nice points, but he's is buried in chances when he steps on the ice. He is an absolute throw in on a Nylander deal and I don't lose a wink of sleep over it.

Defence can be taught, innate offensive ability cannot.

Pionk has an innate ability to generate offence from the D position and that's something we do not have much of.

ADA is nice, and K.Miller may could offer something nice down the line, but that's not guaranteed

And while I like Nylander, I'm not sure hes more than a 60-70 pt winger

 

[haohmaru]

This is the new thing. Each win brings an early morning sarcastic self-loathing rant.

All of this winning must be excruciating

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Nylander isnt going to be traded here.

 

[Avery16]

Why are we always looking to buy high? When is the last time buying high worked out for us?

 

[BBKers]

Nylander isnt going to be traded here.

You are likely right. Probably going to Carolina. We however do have definite interest - but doubt we will pony up what they want. Or he signs a bridge deal. Lots of options...

 

[East Coast Bias]

Why are we always looking to buy high? When is the last time buying high worked out for us?

I mean I got a pantry full of tasty snacks from last night. Wait what?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Carolina and Minnesota not only have the need but also the type of player Toronto wants in return.

Nylander isn't coming here short of an overpayment.

 

[RGY]

You are likely right. Probably going to Carolina. We however do have definite interest - but doubt we will pony up what they want. Or he signs a bridge deal. Lots of options...

Assuming you have heard some things bbkers

 

[Ola]

Vesey is better this year than last year.

The problem with Vesey is illustrated so well by a play he made the other night when he turned into the ice in the attacking zone and sent a puck to the point when there wasn’t a D there. That is not a dumb play, everyone knows that you shouldn’t make a pass to a place where nobody is, it’s a play you make when you haven’t had enough time. You don’t have time to think and gamble.

But he is getting better, much better this year at getting into traffic and being more involved, opening up ice for his linemates.

Often it can take a good while to digest the NHL tempo. Look at a player like Kreider who used to give me concerns more or less every shift — I am really never concerned with his decision making or lack there of anymore. He figured it out.

The level of play in the NHL is now really that high with 31 teams and the cap. If Vesey can keep figuring it out the coming year or two he could all of a sudden be a half decent say low end 2nd lineer...

 

[DutchShamrock]

And while I like Nylander, I'm not sure hes more than a 60-70 pt winger

I don't want to suggest that Pionk is terrible or worthless. I usually chime in during the Nylander discussions because he seems to be relatively undervalued. A 60-70 point winger is nothing to overlook in today's NHL. But his zone entry/exit is elite as well. He can get the puck out of danger and generate a chance at elite levels.

An argument can be made whether we want to pay the necessary price, but I don't think Nylander is given enough credit. I think part of that is due to the Canadian media. Call it bias, call it them wanting TML lifting a cup. Willy holding out is raining on their parade. It's like a bunch of Mike Francesca's yelling at a 22 year old for not helping their team win.

This is my suggestion. Sit this one out in November. If Dubas puts on a show to prove his resolve, it's possible nothing happens by Dec 1. We would be one of the few teams left that could afford a trade during the season. We could certainly acquire Nylander and have him sit out. Value drops on the price, we drop in the standings, pick up a top line wing in time for our 2019 #1 pick. Not many teams would have the pieces for a trade and the circumstances to have him miss the season.

 

[pld459666]

I don't want to suggest that Pionk is terrible or worthless. I usually chime in during the Nylander discussions because he seems to be relatively undervalued. A 60-70 point winger is nothing to overlook in today's NHL. But his zone entry/exit is elite as well. He can get the puck out of danger and generate a chance at elite levels.

An argument can be made whether we want to pay the necessary price, but I don't think Nylander is given enough credit. I think part of that is due to the Canadian media. Call it bias, call it them wanting TML lifting a cup. Willy holding out is raining on their parade. It's like a bunch of Mike Francesca's yelling at a 22 year old for not helping their team win.

This is my suggestion. Sit this one out in November. If Dubas puts on a show to prove his resolve, it's possible nothing happens by Dec 1. We would be one of the few teams left that could afford a trade during the season. We could certainly acquire Nylander and have him sit out. Value drops on the price, we drop in the standings, pick up a top line wing in time for our 2019 #1 pick. Not many teams would have the pieces for a trade and the circumstances to have him miss the season.

I'll be the first to admit that I am jaded. I have a bias against guys that are or were players that produced to a certain level elsewhere and watch them as they are unable to replicate that same level of production beyond a year here.

Jagr was the last player that I can remember that came here and maintained a pace established before he got here.

That said, the idea that we could potentially add both Nylander and Panarin in an 8 month span does make losing a guy like Pionk more palatable

 

[haohmaru]

I'll be the first to admit that I am jaded. I have a bias against guys that are or were players that produced to a certain level elsewhere and watch them as they are unable to replicate that same level of production beyond a year here.

Jagr was the last player that I can remember that came here and maintained a pace established before he got here.

That said, the idea that we could potentially add both Nylander and Panarin in an 8 month span does make losing a guy like Pionk more palatable

Gaborik had a few great years here that were on par with his best. 2009-10 is arguably his best year.

 

[Inferno]

The Rangers don't need Shestyorkin. Quinn did an interview with ESPN Radio NY a few days ago.



Rick DiPietro is a BU guy. Quinn went on his radio show.

Quinn said Lundqvist wants to be part of the Rangers next run. He thinks Lundqvist has a lot left in the tank.

Shestyorkin should seriously consider extending his contract in Russia again or he should ask the Rangers to trade him to another organization.

The Rangers should use him a chip to get more help for Lundqvist to win a Cup in New York. Shestyorkin will barley play in New York behind Lundqvist. Unless Igor wants to be in charge on opening and closing the gate on the bench and sitting in the hallway watching the game on a small little screen(some arenas have no room for the back up goalie to sit on the bench), he should stay right where he is.

Gorton better be first in line to sign Panarin. Give him a blank check. That guy is a true difference maker. Impactful player. He just needs Shattenkirk to help him with his shootout moves. Is $11M per enough with NYS and NYC income taxes?

The Rangers should offer up their 1st to Toronto in a deal for Nylander. The Rangers aren't getting a player as good as Nylander with the 16th pick overall in June. The Rangers are rolling. The Rangers will bank those points between now and late December. They will build up a cushion to fall back on when the schedule gets tougher. The Rangers wrack up the points now and they play .500 hockey the rest of the season. They will be fine.

Gorton adds help at the trade deadline.

Let's Go Rangers.
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I couldn't even read all this...it's just.

You're so much better than this.

 

[kovazub94]

He's playing the Paul Carey/Brandon Pirri role this year. Gotta keep the tradition going of odd non-4th line type wingers consistently floating on the 4th line.

Carey and Pirri were so much better than Lettieri ever shown in the NHL. Not even close.