Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[Mac n Gs]

Sorry, but there is ZERO chance Buffalo turned down Petterson for those two guys.

This wasn’t an actual proposal. It was Elliotte Friedman spitballing ideas on 32T last week, and despite him saying it’s just him spitballing, everyone is running with it like BUF and VAN discussed this trade

 

[CTRanger]

It is what was rumored to be the major pieces. There is no doubt that they’ve been talking.

 

[bernmeister]

Is that really the 3rd option? I only gave 2 options and retaining on Zibanejad was my first option.

Apologies

you said
"Buying him out should not be an option. I get addition by subtraction, but these buy-out proof contracts make it difficult to replace a player while maintaining that cap hit. If they can't find a trade for Zibanejad (NMC waived), to a team who willingly taking 100-50%, then the only option left is retaining 50% with an overpayment to a 3rd team eating half of what's left.

What's worse, giving up an overpayment removing a couple of years of assets, or keeping Zibanejad? I'm not really sure anymore. The future looks to have a set back either way."

As indicated I emphasized the bold.
I am noting now you covered it in the underline

Howev I think if you go for a modest return from, say VAN, as I have already posted, then you wind up not having to make an overpayment to a 3rd team.
If what you extract from VAN is minimal, they are underwriting the risk/cost of retaining 2 on balance of zib deal if they need to send him to cap cellar dweller.

So the '3rd option' is max retain, min but useful return, = min overpayment for a 3rd team that 'nucks charge us upfront

 

[JohnC]

If the Rangers had a better evaluation of the defensive prospect they were getting and more patient with Howden I could see a better acceptance of that trade as reasonable.

It’s easy for us to forget that Howden had legit two-way 2C upside until he was rushed into the NHL and forced to play for David Quinn.

Hajek though…no clue what they were thinking there…

 

[bernmeister]

.... Hajek though…no clue what they were thinking there…

Hajek was well regarded and played like an All Star for like 4 games
then injured his shoulder, which you think is easier to come back from than other injuries, but no, that ruined him and he was obv never the same

 

[QJL]

Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider should all be moved with retention if necessary.

 

[bl02]

Guys don't regress this quickly. Guys like Mika had a kid, enjoying comfy home life and are pretty much checked out.

 

[Daves a mess]

New York Rangers > Prostate Biopsy

 

[kovazub94]

It’s easy for us to forget that Howden had legit two-way 2C upside until he was rushed into the NHL and forced to play for David Quinn.

Hajek though…no clue what they were thinking there…

Tools without toolbox. Easy mistake to make with a teen prospect.

 

[effen]

Guys don't regress this quickly. Guys like Mika had a kid, enjoying comfy home life and are pretty much checked out.

I think Mika has a medical issue. He looks frail.

 

[Charlie Conway]

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Let’s try to make it so Kevin can understand. There are 12 notes. In this particular type of music, they are playing the notes 1, 4, and 5. To change it up so the song stays interesting, they’re playing the notes in a different order

 

[Shesterkybomb]

More Canadians please, enough of drury pushing the us development league and euros on us.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

All the current NHL players that the Rangers have drafted or been gifted through European free agency* and NCAA/CHA free agency** that have played a minimum of 40 NHL regular games:

Kreider JT Miller Zuccarello*
Cuylle Hayes** Buchnevich
Lafreniere Chytil Duclair
Edstrom Howden Kakko
Barron Vesey**

Skjei Pionk**
Miller Schneider
Graves McIlrath
Jones


Shesterkin
Georgiev*
Talbot**

This is a damming history of the amateur drafting and development of its prospects over the last dozen years by this organization.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

All the current NHL players that the Rangers have drafted or been gifted through European free agency* and NCAA/CHA free agency** that have played a minimum of 40 NHL regular games:

Kreider JT Miller Zuccarello*
Cuylle Hayes** Buchnevich
Lafreniere Chytil Duclair
Edstrom Howden Kakko
Barron Vesey**

McDonagh Pionk**
Skjei Schneider
Miller McIlrath
Graves
Jones

Shesterkin
Georgiev*
Talbot**

This is a damming history of the amateur drafting and development of its prospects over the last dozen years by this organization.

We didn’t even draft McDonagh that was Montreal

 

[Boris Zubov]

We didn’t even draft McDonagh that was Montreal

We can replace him with DelZotto!

 

[Clark Kellogg]

We didn’t even draft McDonagh that was Montreal

Right, I’ll go back and edit. Even more damming.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

We can replace him with DelZotto!

DelZotto is out of the league. Was thinking about adding Fast but he’s out for the season with neck surgery and not sure if he will continue his NHL career.

 

[Boris Zubov]

DelZotto is out of the league. Was thinking about adding Fast but he’s out for the season with neck surgery and not sure if he will continue his NHL career.

Jeez, the no-fun police arrived! Merry Christmas, Scrooge!

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Jeez, the no-fun police arrived! Merry Christmas, Scrooge!

Merry Christmas brother!

 

[mike14]

All the current NHL players that the Rangers have drafted or been gifted through European free agency* and NCAA/CHA free agency** that have played a minimum of 40 NHL regular games:

Kreider JT Miller Zuccarello*
Cuylle Hayes** Buchnevich
Lafreniere Chytil Duclair
Edstrom Howden Kakko
Barron Vesey**

Skjei Pionk**
Miller Schneider
Graves McIlrath
Jones


Shesterkin
Georgiev*
Talbot**

This is a damming history of the amateur drafting and development of its prospects over the last dozen years by this organization.

It's short true game-breaking talent and 1st line center (which is what happens when your 2 highest draft picks are Laf and KK), but that doesn't look like a terrible line-up for a team that went to a SCF and 4 more ECF during that time (and had a highly touted prospect die...).

It's also a weird way to evaluate development. Why can't we include guys like McD and Fox? We got them when they were young, and in the case of Fox traded draft-picks for them which otherwise may have been names on that list. If the organisation is responsible (and it is) for misidentifying some talent and stunting the development of some young guys, it also gets the accolades when it identifies and trades for talent that actually works out here.

No-one is ever going to proclaim the Rangers as one of the great drafting teams of all time, but for the most part we are solid.
The issues are a few very highly picked busts/disappointments (Lias, Krav, KK) and trading a lot of draft capital in order to make those ECF and then fall short

 

[will1066]

It's short true game-breaking talent and 1st line center (which is what happens when your 2 highest draft picks are Laf and KK), but that doesn't look like a terrible line-up for a team that went to a SCF and 4 more ECF during that time (and had a highly touted prospect die...).

It's also a weird way to evaluate development. Why can't we include guys like McD and Fox? We got them when they were young, and in the case of Fox traded draft-picks for them which otherwise may have been names on that list. If the organisation is responsible (and it is) for misidentifying some talent and stunting the development of some young guys, it also gets the accolades when it identifies and trades for talent that actually works out here.

No-one is ever going to proclaim the Rangers as one of the great drafting teams of all time, but for the most part we are solid.
The issues are a few very highly picked busts/disappointments (Lias, Krav, KK) and trading a lot of draft capital in order to make those ECF and then fall short

Your morning greeted you with some shit, eh? Lol

A loss and a suspension

 

[noncents]

Let’s try to make it so Kevin can understand. There are 12 notes. In this particular type of music, they are playing the notes 1, 4, and 5. To change it up so the song stays interesting, they’re playing the notes in a different order

if you're talking about 1, 4, and 5, you're not talking about 12 notes - you're talking about 7 (diatonic scale) scale tones.

If you find a C on a piano or keyboard, count that as 1. play only white keys ascending upwards (to the right) and the 4th is F and 5th is G. those are the bass or 'tonic' notes for the chords in the 1-4-5 progression he's describing.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Let’s try to make it so Kevin can understand. There are 12 notes. In this particular type of music, they are playing the notes 1, 4, and 5. To change it up so the song stays interesting, they’re playing the notes in a different order

Kevin?

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I think Mika has a medical issue. He looks frail.

I'll mention it again, a friend who is a medical professional thinks he has a back issue while we were watching a game last month. No factual information, only opinion.

It's short true game-breaking talent and 1st line center (which is what happens when your 2 highest draft picks are Laf and KK), but that doesn't look like a terrible line-up for a team that went to a SCF and 4 more ECF during that time (and had a highly touted prospect die...).

It's also a weird way to evaluate development. Why can't we include guys like McD and Fox? We got them when they were young, and in the case of Fox traded draft-picks for them which otherwise may have been names on that list. If the organisation is responsible (and it is) for misidentifying some talent and stunting the development of some young guys, it also gets the accolades when it identifies and trades for talent that actually works out here.

No-one is ever going to proclaim the Rangers as one of the great drafting teams of all time, but for the most part we are solid.
The issues are a few very highly picked busts/disappointments (Lias, Krav, KK) and trading a lot of draft capital in order to make those ECF and then fall short

They were good to very good for until around 2015 when Gordie and team lost it.

Gorton had a lot of buffoonery and low emotional intelligence in the org. They also kept Ciacciao around way too long.

 

[effen]

They also kept Ciacciao around way too long.

This is my favorite bit of message board psychosis in 20 years in this place. That the 63rd most important guy in the organization was somehow handicapping the basic hockey skills of a professional hockey team via voodoo or blood magik.

50 people on a messageboard cursing some guy they couldn't identify in a police lineup for a million dollars and a massage from Margot Robbie.

His nefarious powers are still at play, they're still terrible at making and receiving passes.

Damn you, Mark Chicago.