bernmeister
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Again, it is reasonable to speculate Zib does waive if it is to VANBern, this whole thing is bonkers. It's a logic pretzel to get you to where you want to be (pretending that there is any justification for not trading Kreider).
On Kreider-- Your argument is that no team will give value because of a vague rumor about a back injury, so we shouldn't trade him because he can rehab this supposed back injury. That's absurd. Kreider has one more season left after this one. He can easily be retained down to ~$4m per. He's scored between 40 and 50 goals for the last three seasons. He's got LOADS of playoff experience, most recently playing hero-ball with the hat trick against Carolina. Teams would EASILY give up a 1st and a very good prospect for two playoff runs with Kreider.
And again--his replacement is already on the roster. Say for the sake of argument that you also move Panarin for a haul (a concept I'm not opposed to). You still have Laf, Kakko, Cuylle, Perrault, Berard, Othmann, Sykora. We are miles deep on LWers and LW prospects. It makes ZERO logical sense to hold onto Kreider unless your love for the player is blinding you.
Similarly, I think your hatred for Zib is also blinding you. I also think he's a massive problem, but he's not a moveable problem. He has a much higher cap hit and 5x the term that Kreider has. NOBODY is going to trade for Zibanejad unless he rebounds and/or has fewer years left on his contract. You thought Vancouver would take on 5 years of a bad cap hit to cover for a player being out for a MONTH? That doesn't even happen in video games. You think the Rangers, who rarely retain, will saddle themselves with a nearly $5m dead cap hit for five years? Never in a million years.
The ONLY way for the Rangers to dump Zibanejad is to hope that he'll waive his NMC, retain on his contract, and pay a premium to the other team. And...where does that leave us? With two second line centers (Trocheck and Chytil---one of whom is an injury waiting to happen) and a whole bunch of 4th line centers. Nobody trades top 6 centers. Could we get one in FA? Maybe, but with Kreider's cap hit still on the books and half of Zibanejad's cap hit still on the books, we won't be able to afford one. For the short term, it's in the team's best interest to try and fix Zibanejad. It's not because I want them to do that. I've wanted Zib gone since last season, when he had his back turned to the OT GWG against, because he took himself out of the play to complain to the ref. We just don't have any other logical choice.
In a perfect world, we would let a player like Kreider retire a Ranger. The world isn't perfect. They need to move on from as much of the old core as possible to re-stock the prospect pool for the next core (which, unlike last time, with the letter, much of the next core is already in place).
and that VAN agrees to a trade fully retained for spare parts as I suggest
do that now and do it first
CK, again, there is a disconnect on yr part:
"Your argument is that no team will give value because of a vague rumor about a back injury, so we shouldn't trade him because he can rehab this supposed back injury. That's absurd. Kreider has one more season left after this one. He can easily be retained down to ~$4m per. He's scored between 40 and 50 goals for the last three seasons. He's got LOADS of playoff experience, most recently playing hero-ball with the hat trick against Carolina. Teams would EASILY give up a 1st and a very good prospect for two playoff runs with Kreider."
There are laws about disclosure of private medical info, so confirmation is not possible, but are you telling me CKs own representations are a lie?
And if teams factor that in, yes they will still pay a good, but not too heavy price
my pt is we should give CK mo time to heal, and see what we have after get rid of the others first
I am final on that
It is reasonable to spec