Kreider -
I did explain in overview, you simply do not accept my answers.
That he has only 1G in last 13 or whatev games is consistent w/my appraisal that the rest of the team is dragging him down, not the other way around.
Revelation of back issues, not to be dismissed, is new and disconcerting as it comes with the territory. Fortunately my understanding is with treatment he can manage and continue.
Look at it this way. Either I'm right or I'm wrong.
If I'm right Kreider has game, he has value. We can deal him now or deal him later. There is no urgency to dealing him now when the most cancerous guy is zib, and moving him and others should be the move, not Kreider.
If I'm wrong, Kreider will have min value. Other clubs will not buy due to rep. They will gamble that the issue is the back and it can be overcome. But by definition, CK having no-min value presumes his back etc situation is so severe that he cannot expect best case rebound scenario. In such event, any return for him is minimal. Ergo, best option is hold CK, deal older vets, reassess.
Zib
We have a deal for Zib where it is plausible he will waive.
But we need to have real expectations.
Peeps saying we are going to get dollar/top dollar are wrong
there has already been too much damage for too long for anything that gives us a good return. We must accept this is addition by subtraction, and bite the bullet.
Posters here insisting on keeping this arrogant sleeze b'c they can't let him go otherwise w/o a substantial return need to get real, and admit I am right.
Zib - I said give him away cheap to VAN not for JT Miller [unrealistic] but to give VAN depth while JT was away.
Now that he has returned while that is not the same impetus [other than if JT has to suddenly get up and go once again], adding zib for depth works for nucks
Howev, he is a head case and has to be extremely discounted.
This also works for us because taking a min return is a slap to zibs face
zib max reduced to 4.25
for
Raty, Juulsen, Descharnais + if they are ok, also Forbot
Desch is huge useless pylon zero mobility thru next season
Jettisoning him works for them and removes bad cap
Raty is ok+ for bottom 6 pivot but they can short term surrender in this circumstance
Juulsen playing surprisingly well but is bottom 6
Forbot also ok but expiring
thing here is can they pick up cheap Ds after this deal
Zib at half they can live w/b'c at 4.25, can retain further and deal to bottom feeder if nec
Zib waives to avoid all this and play w/EPetterssen
Again Zib HAS TO go before Kreider to break Zib
THAT IS NON NEGOTIABLE
Bern, this whole thing is bonkers. It's a logic pretzel to get you to where you want to be (pretending that there is any justification for not trading Kreider).
On Kreider-- Your argument is that no team will give value because of a vague rumor about a back injury, so we shouldn't trade him because he can rehab this supposed back injury. That's absurd. Kreider has one more season left after this one. He can easily be retained down to ~$4m per. He's scored between 40 and 50 goals for the last three seasons. He's got LOADS of playoff experience, most recently playing hero-ball with the hat trick against Carolina. Teams would EASILY give up a 1st and a very good prospect for two playoff runs with Kreider.
And again--his replacement is already on the roster. Say for the sake of argument that you also move Panarin for a haul (a concept I'm not opposed to). You still have Laf, Kakko, Cuylle, Perrault, Berard, Othmann, Sykora. We are miles deep on LWers and LW prospects. It makes ZERO logical sense to hold onto Kreider unless your love for the player is blinding you.
Similarly, I think your hatred for Zib is also blinding you. I also think he's a massive problem, but he's not a moveable problem. He has a much higher cap hit and 5x the term that Kreider has. NOBODY is going to trade for Zibanejad unless he rebounds and/or has fewer years left on his contract. You thought Vancouver would take on 5 years of a bad cap hit to cover for a player being out for a MONTH? That doesn't even happen in video games. You think the Rangers, who
rarely retain, will saddle themselves with a nearly $5m dead cap hit for five years? Never in a million years.
The ONLY way for the Rangers to dump Zibanejad is to hope that he'll waive his NMC, retain on his contract, and pay a premium to the other team. And...where does that leave us? With two second line centers (Trocheck and Chytil---one of whom is an injury waiting to happen) and a whole bunch of 4th line centers. Nobody trades top 6 centers. Could we get one in FA? Maybe, but with Kreider's cap hit still on the books and half of Zibanejad's cap hit still on the books, we won't be able to afford one. For the short term, it's in the team's best interest to try and fix Zibanejad. It's not because I want them to do that. I've wanted Zib gone since last season, when he had his back turned to the OT GWG against, because he took himself out of the play to complain to the ref. We just don't have any other logical choice.
In a perfect world, we would let a player like Kreider retire a Ranger. The world isn't perfect. They need to move on from as much of the old core as possible to re-stock the prospect pool for the next core (which, unlike last time, with the letter, much of the next core is already in place).
