Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[Machinehead]

Guy has been brutal even strength for years.

This is just a lie and everyone knows it.

 

[Raspewtin]

Last year lol. Guy has been brutal even strength for years. But grats on pumping his tires because he is a master of deflections. Cant wait till this joke is gone. Maybe he shows up again on a new team.

he was 2 points off his career high last year with a career high in assists

 

[JohnC]

Kreider really wasn't bad until this year, but all of the people who have been flinging poop at him since 2015 were eventually going to be right when he declined. I hope they enjoy their poorly-earned victory lap.

Yeah, Jumbo’s been shitting on Kreider for years now so grats to him that people now want him traded just because he’s having a bad year in the same season the entire team blows.

 

[NYRFAN218]

I don't understand the trading Adam Fox stance. This team is not rebuilding. That ended the second they signed their goaltender to the largest goalie contract in NHL history. They will retool and weed out the current core and replace it with some of the youngsters they have as well as external pieces. They're going to try and compete for the Cup again even if it's not this year or next year. Trading 1 of the best defenseman in the league does not accomplish that because as said before, good luck getting another one like him.

 

[NYR Viper]

Fox is coming back from a knee injury and shortened offseason. the second you trade a 27 year old top-pairing RD, you're immediately looking for that same player. That's not a good move

 

[Machinehead]

I don't understand the trading Adam Fox stance. This team is not rebuilding. That ended the second they signed their goaltender to the largest goalie contract in NHL history. They will retool and weed out the current core and replace it with some of the youngsters they have as well as external pieces. They're going to try and compete for the Cup again even if it's not this year or next year. Trading 1 of the best defenseman in the league does not accomplish that because as said before, good luck getting another one like him.

Kreider is going by the wayside so people need somebody relevant to hate.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

What do you deem fair? I am open to sugestions.

I'll get a Mika jersey, you get a Lindgren jersey.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Yeah, Jumbo’s been shitting on Kreider for years now so grats to him that people now want him traded just because he’s having a bad year in the same season the entire team blows.

Lol Jumbo. Cute.

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah, Jumbo’s been shitting on Kreider for years now so grats to him that people now want him traded just because he’s having a bad year in the same season the entire team blows.

Fox is next.

He'll be in Norris contention year in and year out but there's quirky little things I don't like about him, and those things will be why we didn't win the Cup, not everyone else being terrible.

 

[kovazub94]

IMO Columbus would be interested in straight Miller for Provorov trade. I'd do it with an idea to resign / extend him. Then deal with Lindgren separately.

 

[LokiDog]

Kreider is going by the wayside so people need somebody relevant to hate.

Yeah, that really isn’t it. Some of us simply do not believe this roster CAN be salvaged and that trying to do so is only going to leave us in mediocre limbo with no clear direction or path to improve. I have ZERO faith that this team can cut the deadweight necessary and obtain - whether through trading that dead weight or FA - the pieces needed to be a winner. Once I am positive that that’s my feelings about the team, it doesn’t MATTER how good a Fox or Shesterkin or Panarin is. There’s no hate. It’s simply my belief that the team isn’t going to win with them regardless of how good they are individually. Therefore, I would RATHER trade them when their value is at its highest and accept that NO version of the current team is going to be molded into a winner, and thus we should cash out on ALL of our assets, ESPECIALLY the most valuable ones and start fresh. Do I expect it to happen? Of course not. Not in NYC. Is it still wholeheartedly what I believe to be the correct course or action to ACTUALLY building a FUTURE winner? Yes.

It has nothing to do with whipping boys or needing someone to hate. I simply don’t want to attempt a shitty “retool” STILL suck 3 years down the road and THEN be trading a broken down 30 year old Fox who has 60% of the value he has today, which we could have converted into a future cornerstone - especially when we have virtually NO other realistic avenue to acquiring one. Fox WAS a cornerstone. He can’t be a FUTURE cornerstone when we won’t be ready to compete until he’s nearly 30.

 

[NYR Viper]

Fox is next.

He'll be in Norris contention year in and year out but there's quirky little things I don't like about him, and those things will be why we didn't win the Cup, not everyone else being terrible.

His contract is completely reasonable for a top-pairing guy though. It's not like he's making $12m per season and hindering the makeup of the rest of the roster

 

[JohnC]

he was 2 points off his career high last year with a career high in assists

Even in pure counting stats I show him as 87th in ES scoring out of 361 forwards

 

[bernmeister]

Retaining 4.25m on Zibanejad until the end of the world is nasty work

yeah, but know what is even a lot worse?
paying him the full pop 8.5 and getting nothing
at least Raty, Juulsen and to lesser extent Forbert are useful.

Half a bad cap loaf > than a full one

"We" are not making any decisions. It is not a imaginary "crowd" running the front office of the New York Rangers. What posters on this forum say have no bearing as to how the Rangers conduct business.

Seek help. I am dead serious. You need help.

In one technical sense you appear correct. But in another more ultimate one, I am.

Every team is subordinate to the 'we' that is its fan base, b'c without fans, no financial support, no pro hockey industry, no team.

We voice our approval/displeasure.
These are our votes.
They are real, not imaginary, even if we are not running the show
WE DO "have ... bearing as to how the Rangers conduct business" b'c without our support, there is no rangers

YOU don't get to judge me and tell me I need help.
Smartass wannabe, physican heal thyself

Why do people engage seriously with Bern?

He’s always been kooky so what do you think you’re going to get out of the conversation?

Never could get past Boo Nieves 1C lol

Kooky or not
my track record overall proves I was correct on a lot of positions taken, including as to playing Nieves as pivot and sliding Zib to 1RW

but hey, it's a free country
those who wish to be close minded, feel free to you do you

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah, that really isn’t it. Some of us simply do not believe this roster CAN be salvaged and that trying to do so is only going to leave us in mediocre limbo with no clear direction or path to improve. I have ZERO faith that this team can cut the deadweight necessary and obtain - whether through trading that dead weight or FA - the pieces needed to be a winner. Once I am positive that that’s my feelings about the team, it doesn’t MATTER how good a Fox or Shesterkin or Panarin is. There’s no hate. It’s simply my belief that the team isn’t going to win with them regardless of how good they are individually. Therefore, I would RATHER trade them when their value is at its highest and accept that NO version of the current team is going to be molded into a winner, and thus we should cash out on ALL of our assets, ESPECIALLY the most valuable ones and start fresh. Do I expect it to happen? Of course not. Not in NYC. Is it still wholeheartedly what I believe to be the correct course or action to ACTUALLY building a FUTURE winner? Yes.

It has nothing to do with whipping boys or needing someone to hate. I simply don’t want to attempt a shitty “retool” STILL suck 3 years down the road and THEN be trading a broken down 30 year old Fox who has 60% of the value who has today, which we could have converted into a future cornerstone - especially when we have virtually NO other realistic avenue to acquiring one. Fox WAS a cornerstone. He can’t be a FUTURE cornerstone when we won’t be ready to compete until he’s nearly 30.

Of course it's about needing someone to hate.

I'm not speaking for everyone on the board when I say that, but there's plenty of people on this board whose entire shtick is hating good players to annoy people.

Your shtick is posting gifs so that doesn't include you.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I'll get a Mika jersey, you get a Lindgren jersey.

and we’ll get Jumbo* a fake Callahan jersey

 

[Brutananadilewski]

Of course it's about needing someone to hate.

I'm not speaking for everyone on the board when I say that, but there's plenty of people on this board whose entire shtick is hating good players to annoy people.

Your shtick is posting gifs so that doesn't include you.

Don't forget the veganism and "politics."

 

[bernmeister]

Yeah, that really isn’t it. Some of us simply do not believe this roster CAN be salvaged and that trying to do so is only going to leave us in mediocre limbo with no clear direction or path to improve. I have ZERO faith that this team can cut the deadweight necessary and obtain - whether through trading that dead weight or FA - the pieces needed to be a winner. Once I am positive that that’s my feelings about the team, it doesn’t MATTER how good a Fox or Shesterkin or Panarin is. There’s no hate. It’s simply my belief that the team isn’t going to win with them regardless of how good they are individually. Therefore, I would RATHER trade them when their value is at its highest and accept that NO version of the current team is going to be molded into a winner, and thus we should cash out on ALL of our assets, ESPECIALLY the most valuable ones and start fresh. Do I expect it to happen? Of course not. Not in NYC. Is it still wholeheartedly what I believe to be the correct course or action to ACTUALLY building a FUTURE winner? Yes.

It has nothing to do with whipping boys or needing someone to hate. I simply don’t want to attempt a shitty “retool” STILL suck 3 years down the road and THEN be trading a broken down 30 year old Fox who has 60% of the value who has today, which we could have converted into a future cornerstone - especially when we have virtually NO other realistic avenue to acquiring one. Fox WAS a cornerstone. He can’t be a FUTURE cornerstone when we won’t be ready to compete until he’s nearly 30.

full agree entire post except on the bold that is generous
in 3 yrs fox breaking down, we are lucky to get even only 20-30% of what he gets now

 

[Machinehead]

Don't forget the veganism and "politics."

I mean, yeah.

People hated Zibanejad when he was putting up 91 points because he's "vegan" which he's not. This board literally made that up to have something to hate.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

There should be only 4 untouchables on the roster:

1) Igor
2) Laf
3) Fox
4) Cuylle


That's it. Everyone else can be had.


Fire Drury

 

[Siddi]

I'll get a Mika jersey, you get a Lindgren jersey.

That is not even remotely fair to you bud. I am not hating Lindgren but if you are ok with that i am game.

 

[Machinehead]

There should be only 4 untouchables on the roster:

1) Igor
2) Laf
3) Fox
4) Cuylle


That's it. Everyone else can be had.


Fire Drury

Even this savage doesn't wanna trade Fox! (no offense)

 

[Brutananadilewski]

I mean, yeah.

People hated Zibanejad when he was putting up 91 points because he's "vegan" which he's not. This board literally made that up to have something to hate.

Him eating "burgers" that has more cardboard and drugs in it than any NYC homeless shack does not constitute being a meat eater.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Do not see Laviolette lasting much longer. Drury might follow him out the door at season's end. Everything that Drury does from now until then is about saving his job meaning he has to make as many smart decisions as possible including players he moves out.

One issue about trading vets for picks, prospects, young players is I've the impression this summer's draft is not a particularly strong draft. Ending up for instance with a 1st rounder in the back half of the first round might not get us a top end type player and maybe you look at picking up picks in next year's draft instead or maybe younger players/prospects will be a better way to go.

If the locker room leadership is a problem not only in the locker room but not producing to expectations on the ice and I'm getting at Kreider, Zibanejad specifically those players have to go even if Laviolette and/or Drury get fired. Actually specifically because you don't want to pass the same problem on to the next coach and/or next GM. Let those players find their way with their new teams as best they can.

It seems to me that the Rangers are going to have a lot of money to work with come July's free agency and we're going to need to rebuild a defense. I expect Lindgren and possibly Miller to be gone too. We're going to need to give Igor more support. So that's one area where I think the Rangers will look to bring in free agents for the next regime.

Bright spots on the horizon:

Dylan Garand is 9-2-2 with a 2.20 GAA and .926% save percentage. He is very much outperforming Louis Domingue this year. If he can keep that up or somewhere in the neighborhood he should be ready for the NHL next year.

On defense Mancini is our top on the cusp guy. Matt Robertson has been playing pretty well of late though. Fortescue and Emery will need more time but are doing fine.

At forward there are any number of players in Hartford and other leagues that continue to make good progress---starting with Brett Berard and Edstrom. I would mention Will Cuylle has been great all year with Rangers. But Sykora, Rempe are doing well and 1st year pros Chmelar, Roobroeck, McConnell-Barker have made the sometimes difficult jump to the pros kind of easily. Also Laba and Lamb (having a really nice season) + of course Gabriel Perreault.

So even with a shit season at the top level we still have a lot of future for the team.

I personally don't want a lame duck gm, you can't have a short term gm making long term decisions...get rid of gm first, he brings his coaches, he decides who stays and goes

 

[DanielBrassard]

IMO Columbus would be interested in straight Miller for Provorov trade. I'd do it with an idea to resign / extend him. Then deal with Lindgren separately.

Absolutely not. Trading miller for a worse player who they can potentially just sign in UFA is a bad decision.