Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[Boris Zubov]

Too bad that doesn't dispute what I said. He scored a meaningless goal vs the Devils in a 5-1 blowout. Friday was the first game he looked awake all season. That's 1 in a row.

 

[bernmeister]

Something around Mika and Kreider to Vancouver for Miller and Boeser.

Think Mika might waive if Kreider is going with him and Miller would likely waive to come back here. Vancouver might do it given Miller’s issues and Boeser being a UFA after this year, while Kreider has 2 years left after this one.

For the Rangers, probably a slight upgrade this year and provides more flexibility long term. Miller can play center or wing, cap hit is slightly less than Mika and his NMC converts to a NTC in a couple years. Probably have to let Boeser walk after this year, but can use that cap space to sign a LHD and fill the winger spots internally with Berard, Othmann and/or Perrault.

VAN should not want Mika at full pop
and again
let Zib bend, buckle and break in capitulation
we are not ditching Kreider to give Zib inducement to go
eff him

he capitulates to a favorable relocation
OR HIS ASS SITS GAME AFTER GAME AFTER GAME AND HE DOES NOT PLAY

 

[Cmox]

Does he really have a second kid arriving soon? We all saw how that worked out the first time with his play slipping and Igor being tired...

I think it'll be different. Two reasons; He's been there before, 2nd child and the uncertainty of the future is gone (money/home wise)

 

[Siddi]

Too bad that doesn't dispute what I said. He scored a meaningless goal vs the Devils in a 5-1 blowout. Friday was the first game he looked awake all season. That's 1 in a row.

Nor did your comment dispute what I said in my post. All the underlining advanced stats shows that he is in fact on a positive trajectory since the Winnipeg game.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

rip in pieces to one of the funniest posters ever

Did he pass away? I thought he was just doing twitter stuff only now

 

[Boris Zubov]

Nor did your comment dispute what I said in my post. All the underlining advanced stats shows that he is in fact on a positive trajectory since the Winnipeg game.

His stats literally had nowhere to go but up. The eye test has shown he's basically been MIA all year until Friday.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Did you miss the last couple of games? He is definetly trending in the right direction and against the Penguins his line was the best line on the ice with him driving play.

One game out of 80 bad ones is not trending, I did think their line was better but I thought Smith was what improved on the line the most. He shouldn't be on pp1 anymore, there's a years worth of video to explain why, I mean he's even finally realizing his one timer is wack and is faking it and wristing it to the net. I am not a mika hater but he's not the top center or top 5 players on this team anymore.

 

[McRanger92]

One game out of 80 bad ones is not trending, I did think their line was better but I thought Smith was what improved on the line the most. He shouldn't be on pp1 anymore, there's a years worth of video to explain why, I mean he's even finally realizing his one timer is wack and is faking it and wristing it to the net. I am not a mika hater but he's not the top center or top 5 players on this team anymore.

Baby steps. The easiest path forward is Mika figuring his shit out because the physical skills are still there. His problems are between the ears. He can still score 30 goals and score 90 pints in this league.

 

[Siddi]

His stats literally had nowhere to go but up. The eye test has shown he's basically been MIA all year until Friday.

I will gladly take 19 points in 25 games while being MIA. Imagine what his numbers will be once he gets his shit together..

One game out of 80 bad ones is not trending, I did think their line was better but I thought Smith was what improved on the line the most. He shouldn't be on pp1 anymore, there's a years worth of video to explain why, I mean he's even finally realizing his one timer is wack and is faking it and wristing it to the net. I am not a mika hater but he's not the top center or top 5 players on this team anymore.

Check his advanced stats since the Winnipeg game. Clearly a positive trend.

 

[McRanger92]

I will gladly take 19 points in 25 games while being MIA. Imagine what his numbers will be if he continues his current trajectory.

Mika has been more engaged since they threatened him with the Kreider trade rumors. Mika is the type who would snap out of it when his buddy's life could get upended.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I will gladly take 19 points in 25 games while being MIA. Imagine what his numbers will be if he continues his current trajectory.

I'm confused...I thought you've been agreeing with the rest of us all season that's hes been awful? Now you're saying you're satisfied with his play this season because his production has been masking his deficiencies? He's still on pace for less than 20 goals.

As for the bolded, hopefully they're good enough to fool some rival GM into trading for him.

 

[Siddi]

Mika has been more engaged since they threatened him with the Kreider trade rumors. Mika is the type who would snap out of it when his buddy's life could get upended.

Or maybe the turbulence in the locker room affected him and now that Trouba is gone calm is setting in and he can focuse on his game.

Just to clearify, I am not suggesting Mika and Trouba had a fallout or anything just that the bad vibes around Goodie and the drama with Trouba affected him.

I'm confused...I thought you've been agreeing all year with the rest of us that's hes been awful? Now you're saying you're satisfied with his play this season because his production has been masking his deficiencies? He's still on pace for less than 20 goals.

As for the bolded, hopefully they're good enough to fool some rival GM into trading for him.

 

[pld459666]

Would you guys rather trade Kakko or Cuylle if given the choice?

Kakko

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Did he pass away? I thought he was just doing twitter stuff only now

i dont think so i was just saying rip to him as a poster lol

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Baby steps. The easiest path forward is Mika figuring his shit out because the physical skills are still there. His problems are between the ears. He can still score 30 goals and score 90 pints in this league.

I dont disagree what's best for the team is him figuring it out but while he is doing that he shouldn't be played like a first line center. He has been given the longest leash in the history of hockey while players like Lafreniere, Jones and Kakko were demoted at the blink of an eye to the detriment of this team.

 

[kovazub94]

Miller, Kakko, Berard, 1st for Tkachuk

Lots of similarities to the Nash saga

I had the same except Sykora instead of Berard

 

[Siddi]

He has been given the longest leash in the history of hockey while players like Lafreniere, Jones and Kakko were demoted at the blink of an eye to the detriment of this team.

It is not strange that a player with Mikas career gets a longer leash compared to players who hasnt accomplished anything in the league yet.

 

[n8]

Would you guys rather trade Kakko or Cuylle if given the choice?

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I appreciate you raising a valid pt about doing things out of optimized sequence, dealing Lindy before we have a body/bodies in place.
Perhaps adding Vaak and promo of Mancini is sufficient there.

But regardless, you also suffer if you do not strike when the iron is hot.
I advocated moving Lindgren, like Buch, long ago when they commanded top $

now best we can do is deal Lindy NOW to the highest bidder, b'c that high bid is predicated on their need NOW, not when we want to ship Ryan out

Demanding top value is different than getting it. We all agree the Buch trade was a disaster. We made so many unnecessary moves to fill in our vacant RW slots (pre Laf breakout). Vatrano, Copp, Tarasenko, Kane, Wheeler, Roslovic, Smith so recent history cautions us not to cut our nose off to spite our face. Or maybe "a stitch in time saves nine future roster moves."

 

[Boris Zubov]

It is not strange that a player with Mikas career gets a longer leash compared to players who hasnt accomplished anything in the league yet.

We have no choice but to let him play his way out of it. We can't get rid of him & we have nobody to replace him.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm unclear if you're advocating for William or Alexander Carrier. In one of your previous posts you mentioned Carrier & Nashville, but William plays for the Canes & is a 4th liner.

sorry, late night posting. Alexander Carrier from Nashville

 

[bernmeister]

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Demanding top value is different than getting it. We all agree the Buch trade was a disaster. We made so many unnecessary moves to fill in our vacant RW slots (pre Laf breakout). Vatrano, Copp, Tarasenko, Kane, Wheeler, Roslovic, Smith so recent history cautions us not to cut our nose off to spite our face. Or maybe "a stitch in time saves nine future roster moves."

yes, but I have a habit of being ahead of the curve, and more often not wrong on it

The pt I keep making is had we dealt Buch much earlier, even tho he was still improving his game, he was a better value on the trade market b'c he had more term at less cost

When top value should be asked/demanded depends on who, situation etc.

Again, we need to play the kids HERE, NOW so they are peak ready for POs
agree/disagree, fine
we'll see the results after

 

[NYR Viper]

Ideas for depth d-men who MAY help improve this teams defense. None of these guys are going to be world beaters but they could come in and be useful additions s stop-gaps:

Jake Walman - Liked him in the off-season but he has 20 points in 26 games for SJ already this year. This one seems less likely due to cost...

Erik Gustafsson - Our old friend Gustafsson signed a 2 year $2m per year with Detroit this offseason and only has 4 points in 19 games this season for the Wings and only 1 at even strength. He was a useful depth option last year and can help move the puck. He knows the Rangers system and Yzerman is likely to look to offload some guys as they have underachieved. The cost here is likely something minimal and he could be a nice stop-gap for a couple of seasons. If Lindgren is traded, a LD corps of Miller, Jones and Gustafsson, while not exciting on paper, could at the very least move the puck.

Mario Ferraro - This is an intriguing one for me because Ferraro is a pretty physical LD who is also only 26 years old. I think he is being over deployed a bit in SJ to what he should be, which is a 4/5D who is a primary PKer. He makes $3.25m for this year and next and he SHOULD be someone who, if he works out, could likely be re-signed to a reasonable deal as he's not a high point producer. Something that would likely be attractive depending on the development of some of the younger d-men.

Alexandre Carrier - Carrier was re-signed to a 3 year deal this past off-season in Nashville and he was a useful middle-pairing RD who can effectively move the puck although isn't a high end point producer. He's a pretty good skater and defends that way moreso than a physical player. That entire team has really struggled this season and unfortunately for Trotz, they have a lot of money tied up in guys who are practically immoveable. Carrier is 28 years old and could be a good option to help Nashville alleviate some of their middle-term contracts and allow some flexibility to them moving forward.

Bowen Byram - Byram is highly intriguing. He's a RFA at years end, so there would need to be an understanding for what type of contract he and his agent would be looking for but he's the type of player who, if he can stay healthy, could be a true difference maker. Going back to when he was drafted, he was projected to be a top-pairing guy who could do it all and this season in Buffalo, he has been very good. He's 23 years old and has 15 points in 23 games so far this season. I'm not sure why Buffalo would trade him and I'm concerned with the cost for sure here and honestly, with Fox already in NY, I'm not sure the price is worth it.

Ivan Provorov - I will be completely transparent here, I like Provorov. He's a bit of a 'rover' and he is a high event player, both good and bad. He's a guy who can generate offense and add that 2nd or 3rd layer to an offense with his skating and IQ. He'll be 28 soon (in a month or so) and he is a UFA at years end but he's someone I would have interest in as a UFA at years end if his contract demands are reasonable. My thought here is the Rangers have the best goalie in the world in Shesterkin. You have to leverage that and adding someone like Provorov, while high event, is someone who I think could really thrive in an environment like the Rangers have.




I'm sure there are other guys who can be added to this list but assuming the Rangers are set with Miller, Fox, Jones and Schneider, the team likely needs a couple of guys who could fit. Based on asset cost, I think I would lean towards Provorov, with a re-signing to a 4-5 year contract (say $7m per season) and I would be in continuous communication with Nashville on Carrier. A defense of:


Provorov-Fox
Miller-Carrier
Jones-Schneider

Would be a really solid overall defensive unit with some nice upside with the young guys and anchored by a group who can effectively move the puck out of their end. I can hear some people about to say the defense would be too small but I'm less concerned with size as I am being able to move the puck. Carrier is 5'11, Provorov is 6'1 for those curious.

 

[bleedblue94]

Trouba continues to act like he's the only dude with a family who's ever been traded

I think the issue is his wife can't move. It's not that isn't an inconvenience, but his wife literally cant leave, which means his young kid can't leave, which means he then has to move away from his family. I think if her job/edu situation was different than this whole thing would have played out much smoother and he would have moved much smoother.

Just for fun....not saying it's realistic orthat NYR should.

Would you trade Lafreniere 1for1 for Brady right now if that offer was on the table?

I wouldn't, but interested what other think

100 percent yes.

One has effort and skill in his DNA, the other has skill in his DNA and we are constantly looking for the full effort.

 

[duhmetreE]

please just dump Lindgren....

 

[mas0764]

The “retool” is still on, guys.