Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)
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80shockeywasbuns
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Shesterkybomb
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Just curious, how many of his draft picks are nhl players currently, i really don't know, just wondering and I'm in a crappy service area
NickBobrov, the worst evaluator of talent in the history of the National Hockey League.
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Because he's fine, basically.
He can't defend at 5v5 worth a shit, which is an element the team needs for sure, but he moves the puck extremely well and he's a plus penalty killer.
He's making #4 money in a #4 role and he's better than most #4's.
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Mancini would be the only one; if you consider him to an 'NHLer' at this point in his career
he's a third liner doing "alright" while the top six is busy pouting or burning things to the ground
who f***in' cares about Kakko at this point. He's not untouchable but there's no point in trading him just to be rid of him. If he has value that can improve the team? Go for it, idgaf, but if not then f*** it he's cheap and he's fine for his role.
JimmyG89
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I think when he was drafted his ceiling was 2nd pairing defenseman. I don't think he has the tools of a #1 or #2. He has the physical traits though.
The good news is he never needs to be a #1 on this roster.
He definitely makes mistakes, but I think he gets less flack because we've wanted to see him in an expanded role for a while. He's got that shot now.
80shockeywasbuns
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Idk I honestly think he’s horrific decision maker and puck mover behind the goal line
Only Mancini. That draft actually looks good though, with Laba, Sykora, and McConnell-Barker. The first pick was at 63. You're going to get 3 NHL players from that group, maybe even 4 if it all breaks right.
2023 has Perreault, Fortescue, and Roobroeck. Perreault might be a home run, Fortescue and Roobroeck have been very promising in their own right. The other two, Larsson and Henricks, too early to say with them. Probably nothing but you never know.
2024 looks like Emery and three "who knows?" mid/late picks.
2021 is the variable. That was Drury's first draft, but he had only been on the job for a few months and has gotten rid of a lot of the personnel who were around then. Do you consider it his draft? Or did he inherit the draft board? In any event, you have Othmann who IMO is probably on the team now if he didn't get hurt, and then Chmelar and Lamb are interesting. Maybe Vaisanen if you squint.
Shesterkybomb
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Ok, so the book is still out on his drafting, I mean Perrault looks dynamite but anything can happen I guess.
Shesterkybomb
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Just to stir up trouble...would you trade Mika for Strome lol not advocating for it just trying to Guage the mika hate
Indeed it is, and probably will be for quite some time.
As i said up-front, 'good' is very subjective, but I've liked his drafting so far
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Yeah I agree with this. I like Kakko but I’m not delusional by any means; he’s currently a very replaceable player. If they move him for somebody useful I wouldn’t be upset.
Chytil is a much bigger problem for this team. He fills a much more important role, especially considering Zib’s collapse, and he’s on borrowed time. Nobody should be constructing a lineup with him in the top 6.
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I have a huge problem with Mika but I wouldn't touch that with a 10 ft pole
I for one am glad the Rangers didn’t pick any higher in 2018.
His clown ass convinced everyone that Kravtsov was the 2nd best forward and 3rd best player in that draft. If we picked #3 we would have gone with Kravtsov.
Not Brady Tkachuk, not Quinn Hughes, Vitali Kravtsov.
I don't have a huge problem with Mika (although he's had a terrible season), and it wouldn't be my preferred course of action by any stretch, but...
if there was actually a plan to re-tool/re-make the core, and so other trades were being made to bring back value, and useful FAs-to-be were being considered, then I could probably live with a Mika for Strome swap.
- we save $3.5m on the cap
- Strome's contract finishes 4 years earlier
- someone will take him at next season's TDL as a pending FA so you can get some middling asset(s) for him
- he works well enough with Panarin, which is where Mika is now anyway. So you get a 25 point downgrade (plus a PK downgrade), but you don't care because you are ripping shit up anyway
if there was actually a plan to re-tool/re-make the core, and so other trades were being made to bring back value, and useful FAs-to-be were being considered, then I could probably live with a Mika for Strome swap.
- we save $3.5m on the cap
- Strome's contract finishes 4 years earlier
- someone will take him at next season's TDL as a pending FA so you can get some middling asset(s) for him
- he works well enough with Panarin, which is where Mika is now anyway. So you get a 25 point downgrade (plus a PK downgrade), but you don't care because you are ripping shit up anyway
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Mika for Miller next summer. They’re the same age and almost the same salary. The Swedes love Vancouver. Have them convince Mika to waive his NMC if he’s open to a change after being ground down by the NY media all year. Pettersson can plant the seed at the 4 Nations in February. Allow the Sedins and Allvin to talk to Mika. Even Sundin chose to go to Vancouver at tye end of his career.
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You also have to look at the drafts too and 2021 was kind of weak.
Drury has drafted 23 players and I'd say 11 of them are really solid picks and at least several of them should become serviceable NHL players---the way I'd rank them right now 1. Perreault 2. Mancini 2. Othmann 4. Emery 5. Sykora 6. Laba 7. Chmelar 8. Roobroeck 9. Fortescue 10. McConnell-Barker 11. Lamb......after which 12. Vaisanen (already signed) 13. Boilard 14. Korczak 15. Boyko 16. Aspinall 17. Kempf 18. Henricks 19. Gredig 20. Larsson are still too early to say or somewhat possibilities. To me the three that are done 21. Grubbe (playing in the Oilers farm system and not doing all that great) 22. Barbashev (unsigned and only 4 games in the ECHL this year) and 23. Karpa.
I have seen people on this board and at other places propose some combination of MIller, Kakko, Othmann, 1st round pick, etc. for Miller. Is Mika going to Vancouver? Does Vancouver want Mika?
The media and some fans say the Rangers have the Trouba space and they should spend it on Miller or another player because the team needs help right now. I heard Frank Seravalli suggest the Rangers should acquire Marchessault and his $5.5M cap hit until 2029 because they need help. Marchessault will be 34 years old later this month.
The Rangers are currently out of a playoff spot. Philly has played more games. TB has played less games. December 13. Islanders and Pittsburgh are right behind them.
I watch and listen to a lot of podcasts. Everyone says the Habs have so much young talent in their system. Pierre McGuire told Jeff Marek the Habs have 5 kids at Laval who will be NHL players. They have a million D. They have an extra first round pick this June. Reinbacher has been injured ever since Montreal drafted him instead of Michkov or Leonard Montreal gave Slajkovsky a huge contract in the summer which starts next season. The player has struggled big time. Two goals this season. Montreal signed all of their kids to long term extensions coming out of entry level. Buffalo did the same thing. A young 20-21 year old kid making $7M or $8M AAV might not be the best thing. We complain about the Rangers bridge contracting nearly everyone but the other way doesn't always work. Montreal doesn't have enough space for all of the youth and future picks to play for their team. It's hard to make trades. Some of their trades for Dach and Newhook haven't worked out.9-2 loss to Pittsburgh. I was watching that game and flipped to watch the Rams-49ers. Came back it was 7-2. ESPN plus shows the score before you click on the link. What happened. MSL might be next to go.
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Zibanejad is a hall of fame talent but not really even close to being a hall of famer. In my humble opinion.
eco's bones
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My guess is he won't make it either. I was just commenting on the minimum he will have to do to have a chance and if he really is going into a decline he won't make it to a 1000 points. He might not even make it to 800.
I'm thinking as he seems to be now he may have lost his extra gear. He's not driving defenders back anymore or turning defenders on a rush down the ice. He use to do both quite a lot. Not getting to the middle or net enough either off the rush or even off a cycle. Maybe that is why is head has been in a bad place. He knows what he use to be able to do and can't do it anymore. Some players do find ways to adapt their game when something like that happens though it might take them some time.
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