Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[effen]

Thought the guys would get over it. Was totally wrong about that.

This is baffling. People move on from dead loved ones faster.

 

[grachevsceiling]

I gotta say I’m genuinely shocked that Barclay Goodrow, who in his media appearances had all the charisma of a paper cup, has such an emotional hold on this team. But good for him I guess? Great scouting by Dru.

 

[bernmeister]

Idc what anyone says Panarin is the best player on this team and is still playing at a 46G 100+PT pace and I think he will age very well as he's not a player who's game depends on physical attributes and also has NHL mileage on his body than practically any player of his caliber. He shows fight when the rest of this team has thrown in the towel. That one instance a few games back where he was in a scrum all alone with legit 5 opposing teams players surrounding him and not another Ranger sweater in sight sums up this season pretty well. He will re-sign on a reasonable deal and be our lone star as we move on to the new core.

Keep Panarin & Igor

For the love of God call up one of the only fun things to ever happen to this organization in Rempe, he at least will give a f***.

Force Mika out one way or another
Kreider, Trocheck, Fox, all of them

It's sacrilegious to criticize Adam "Eyeroll as he tilts his head back staring at the ceiling" Fox but we should've known about his character by the way he forced his way here. He is a lazy entitled malcontent and is slow as molasses and getting slower by the day. There are so many absolutely embarrassing plays where he simply gives up on a puck battle and lets the other player skate to it. If he were as good as his ego he'd be better than Bobby Orr. There is some weird thing where he's the second coming of Leetch & is from NY so you can't make the slightest criticism against him. The guy hasn't scored a goal since LAST REGULAR SEASON. We could get an absolute haul for him, and we should absolutely explore it.

strong overall agree
I disagree that bread is immune to wear + tear and we can afford him going forward
sell high on Panarin

and hold off on Kreider unless the deal is beyond crazy good

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Idc what anyone says Panarin is the best player on this team and is still playing at a 46G 100+PT pace and I think he will age very well as he's not a player who's game depends on physical attributes and also has NHL mileage on his body than practically any player of his caliber. He shows fight when the rest of this team has thrown in the towel. That one instance a few games back where he was in a scrum all alone with legit 5 opposing teams players surrounding him and not another Ranger sweater in sight sums up this season pretty well. He will re-sign on a reasonable deal and be our lone star as we move on to the new core.

Keep Panarin & Igor

For the love of God call up one of the only fun things to ever happen to this organization in Rempe, he at least will give a f***.

Force Mika out one way or another
Kreider, Trocheck, Fox, all of them

It's sacrilegious to criticize Adam "Eyeroll as he tilts his head back staring at the ceiling" Fox but we should've known about his character by the way he forced his way here. He is a lazy entitled malcontent and is slow as molasses and getting slower by the day. There are so many absolutely embarrassing plays where he simply gives up on a puck battle and lets the other player skate to it. If he were as good as his ego he'd be better than Bobby Orr. There is some weird thing where he's the second coming of Leetch & is from NY so you can't make the slightest criticism against him. The guy hasn't scored a goal since LAST REGULAR SEASON. We could get an absolute haul for him, and we should absolutely explore it.

Yeesh


Adam Fox is no slower now than he was when he won his Norris trophy. This is just some BS that people like you want to perpetuate for whatever reason. In fact he's already logged a higher top speed this year than he did 2 years ago when he finished 2nd for the Norris and didn't win only because Karlsson decided to break 100 points. If you want to deal in facts, he's clocked in at basically about the same range in the last 4 years (low to mid 21's.)

Pin this post and put it at the top of this thread so this bullshit stops.

Fun fact: Heart and soul Artemi Panarin has been outscored by soft ass Zibanejad in EVERY SINGLE PLAYOFF RUN they've had together. For all that fight, he's been woefully ineffective when it matters, even LESS so than a guy who everyone can't wait to fling shit at (deservedly mind you.)

That shit matters. I'm not even trying to absolve Zibanejad, if he needs to take time off to clear his head he should do that, he's not helping anyone.

But lets not act like Panarin has been this model example of hard work and heart. No one is more guilty of flying the DZ before anyone has control of the puck than he is and if theres anyone who has contributed to the "country club" atmosphere that people think exists (maybe it does, I don't know I'm not in the room) he'd be at the top of the list. He's the one who basically had his best friends imported at the deadline 2 years ago and has gotten to hand pick his line mates.

 

[Machinehead]

Idc what anyone says Panarin is the best player on this team and is still playing at a 46G 100+PT pace and I think he will age very well as he's not a player who's game depends on physical attributes and also has NHL mileage on his body than practically any player of his caliber. He shows fight when the rest of this team has thrown in the towel. That one instance a few games back where he was in a scrum all alone with legit 5 opposing teams players surrounding him and not another Ranger sweater in sight sums up this season pretty well. He will re-sign on a reasonable deal and be our lone star as we move on to the new core.

Keep Panarin & Igor

For the love of God call up one of the only fun things to ever happen to this organization in Rempe, he at least will give a f***.

Force Mika out one way or another
Kreider, Trocheck, Fox, all of them

It's sacrilegious to criticize Adam "Eyeroll as he tilts his head back staring at the ceiling" Fox but we should've known about his character by the way he forced his way here. He is a lazy entitled malcontent and is slow as molasses and getting slower by the day. There are so many absolutely embarrassing plays where he simply gives up on a puck battle and lets the other player skate to it. If he were as good as his ego he'd be better than Bobby Orr. There is some weird thing where he's the second coming of Leetch & is from NY so you can't make the slightest criticism against him. The guy hasn't scored a goal since LAST REGULAR SEASON. We could get an absolute haul for him, and we should absolutely explore it.

Help it. Get some stop.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[Machinehead]

Larry after every loss

Larry after every win

 

[I Just Like]

This is baffling. People move on from dead loved ones faster.

It’s because a group like a locker room is an echo chamber. Individually they’d have gotten over it, but as a group it’s “can’t believe they did goodie that way” and “it’s so messed up they’re trying to move Trouba when they made him our captain and they know his family situation” or “I can’t believe they’re going to give Igor that much”… it doesn’t matter what the actual complaints are but because it’s a group all commiserating they’re all more convicted of their feelings. They’re probably smelling their own farts too and thinking “we were just in the finals, why would they break us up instead of giving us another chance”. Big time victim complex vibes, compounded by misery loving company. Definitely a toxic environment.

 

[DanielBrassard]

This players are still bothered by Goodrow and Trouba. How do you deal with that?

Larry Brooks discussed the situation on the Spittin Chiclets and NY Post podcasts

https://www.tvasports.ca/2024/12/10/rangers--lun-des-meilleurs-romans-savons-dans-la-lnh

Sabotage the season b/c of Goodrow and Trouba.

Pathetic excuses for men if this is the case. If this is actually true then Drury has the obligation to trade everyone who is considered part of the leadership group.

 

[DanielBrassard]

The problem is no one has told this group of losers that they f***ing suck to their faces. All we have heard about in the media up until this season is how talented the rangers, how they are cup contenders, how fun they are to watch when they are playing at their best etc. meanwhile this team gets f***ing dummied every single playoff run at 5v5, they rely on the goaltenders to be out of this world and they still have not won a damn thing.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Kempe reminds me of Mike Modano blazing through the neutral zone

Mike Modano reminds me of America's Funniest Home Videos, NY's Most Fumbleiest Edition.

 

[JohnC]

But let’s not act like Panarin has been this model example of hard work and heart. No one is more guilty of flying the DZ before anyone has control of the puck than he is and if theres anyone who has contributed to the "country club" atmosphere that people think exists (maybe it does, I don't know I'm not in the room) he'd be at the top of the list. He's the one who basically had his best friends imported at the deadline 2 years ago and has gotten to hand pick his line mates.

Lest we forget that Panarin and Strome were the OG toxic bromance on this team way before Zib and Kreider were.

You can make a very convincing case going all the way back to the Covid bubble that Panarin’s style of play (east/west hockey, lack of commitment to defense) has most negatively impacted the way the rest of the team tries to play.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[Siddi]

Fun fact: Heart and soul Artemi Panarin has been outscored by soft ass Zibanejad in EVERY SINGLE PLAYOFF RUN they've had together. For all that fight, he's been woefully ineffective when it matters, even LESS so than a guy who everyone can't wait to fling shit at (deservedly mind you.)

That shit matters. I'm not even trying to absolve Zibanejad, if he needs to take time off to clear his head he should do that, he's not helping anyone.

But lets not act like Panarin has been this model example of hard work and heart. No one is more guilty of flying the DZ before anyone has control of the puck than he is and if theres anyone who has contributed to the "country club" atmosphere that people think exists (maybe it does, I don't know I'm not in the room) he'd be at the top of the list. He's the one who basically had his best friends imported at the deadline 2 years ago and has gotten to hand pick his line mates.

Great point and I am curious as to what Eddies response will be.

And its not just the playoffs either. Since Panarin joined the Rangers Mika has been outscoring (goals) him every single season except last season.
The excuses people make for players like Kreider and Panarin while shitting on Mika is dishonest and nothing more than hypocrisy.

Let me be perfectly clear as to not allowing for any missunderstandings. Zibanejad is playing like crap and deserves the flack he is getting for his play.

 

[will1066]

Mike Modano reminds me of America's Funniest Home Videos, NY's Most Fumbleiest Edition.

Hey, you're taking about Joe's son-in-law

 

[JohnC]

Great point and I am curious as to what Eddies response will be.

Something f***ing dumb is my best guess

 

[Kords]

So if there are people pissed about Trouba and Goody than they must have an issue with Igor and his contract demands, right? So is this locker room actually divided?

I swear the NHL and Amazon would print money if they followed the Rangers around every season documentary style. It’s always something with this team.

 

[Tob]

who wins in a fight? alex semin or zibanejad?

 

[will1066]

everything is possible for the right price...

Ok, Ted DiBiase

I gotta say I’m genuinely shocked that Barclay Goodrow, who in his media appearances had all the charisma of a paper cup, has such an emotional hold on this team. But good for him I guess? Great scouting by Dru.

Barclay Goodrow is shocked too

 

[grachevsceiling]

who wins in a fight? alex semin or zibanejad?

The ref

 

[bleedblue94]

Hate agreeing with Avery but he's right. It's funny how actual NHL players value certain basics of the game that so many of these board just dismiss. Ever single former player that has a voice about nyr right now is just calling out effort. Lack of effort is lazy. Lazy is their culture.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

who wins in a fight? alex semin or zibanejad?

It would probably look like the Tyson/Paul fight

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Pathetic excuses for men if this is the case. If this is actually true then Drury has the obligation to trade everyone who is considered part of the leadership group.

It’s baffling.

I don’t think the memo leaking helped (ok know it didn’t) but I do wonder if this is overblown a bit because it’s not like the got out of the gate slow.

 

[bernmeister]

Yeesh


Adam Fox is no slower now than he was when he won his Norris trophy. This is just some BS that people like you want to perpetuate for whatever reason. In fact he's already logged a higher top speed this year than he did 2 years ago when he finished 2nd for the Norris and didn't win only because Karlsson decided to break 100 points. If you want to deal in facts, he's clocked in at basically about the same range in the last 4 years (low to mid 21's.)

Pin this post and put it at the top of this thread so this bullshit stops.

Fun fact: Heart and soul Artemi Panarin has been outscored by soft ass Zibanejad in EVERY SINGLE PLAYOFF RUN they've had together. For all that fight, he's been woefully ineffective when it matters, even LESS so than a guy who everyone can't wait to fling shit at (deservedly mind you.)

That shit matters. I'm not even trying to absolve Zibanejad, if he needs to take time off to clear his head he should do that, he's not helping anyone.

But lets not act like Panarin has been this model example of hard work and heart. No one is more guilty of flying the DZ before anyone has control of the puck than he is and if theres anyone who has contributed to the "country club" atmosphere that people think exists (maybe it does, I don't know I'm not in the room) he'd be at the top of the list. He's the one who basically had his best friends imported at the deadline 2 years ago and has gotten to hand pick his line mates.

1. eye test says otherwise
and I'm not the only one

2 This is contrary to the established fact of how aging works
We ALL get slower
Fox is not an exception and not maintaining the slow pace he started with

 

[AirGut]

If you convince Mika to get into the player assistance program, LTIR him, clear his cap, get him out of the picture for a couple months, can they use the money for a D by the deadline?