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Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XIV: There ain't no gettin' off of this train we're on

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Savant said:
Sure but I'm not sure why anyone besides NYR does it
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Winnipeg needs to clear that salary. Rangers have the space to make it happen.

Don’t think Carolina does that though. I think the rangers would be better served letting BA work his magic on mason so they have another piece to move in March if necessary.
 
Webster said:
The possibility that Zucc becomes Rangers next Captain is being backed up by Elite Sports NY today, very good article. Hard to understand why some of you want to trade him, he could help the Rangers to become a cup contender in just a couple of years.
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Oh if elite sports ny daily said it.

He isn’t helping this team unless he lands them young assets. His next contact is going to be a disaster for which ever team gives it to him.
 
Go Away Staal said:
Winnipeg needs to clear that salary. Rangers have the space to make it happen.

Don’t think Carolina does that though. I think the rangers would be better served letting BA work his magic on mason so they have another piece to move in March if necessary.
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Peg will want better than Fogarty if they are moving Lemieux. I think there could be something there but they will want a more legitimate return. I'm fine keeping Mason until the deadline and letting Georgiev run with the starting job until Mason is dealt in this case

If Carolina is upgrading at G, they need a sure thing. They can't roll the dice on a backup again.
 
Savant said:
Sure but I'm not sure why anyone besides NYR does it
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Winnipeg is looking for cap space and Hellebuyk, Trouba, Tanev, Armia, Morrissey. Do they want to keep Stastny? Without moving Mason they have just over $20m in cap space.

Hellebuyk and Trouba will eat more than half of that most likely.

Where is Carolina going to get a good 1A/1B goalie elsewhere?
 
The cap should go up at least 5m for next season, to 80m. Its a lot of cap space, a lot of cap space is always good news for the good teams.
 
Mac n Gs said:
Stop perpetrating the bull**** idea that Hayes started padding his numbers at the end of the season. It’s a stupid narrative and has already been proven incorrect.
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I like to think that Hayes started looking better when we were out of the playoffs, and all the players around him started half-assing it as well. Puts him on the same level. :sarcasm:
 
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Webster said:
The possibility that Zucc becomes Rangers next Captain is being backed up by Elite Sports NY today, very good article. Hard to understand why some of you want to trade him, he could help the Rangers to become a cup contender in just a couple of years.
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His leadership clearly didn’t help the giant leadership problem this team had last year
 
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Can someone explain to me how this zucc as captain thing makes sense beyond the wet dream of some people here:

One year from Ufa, but more importantly the organization openly let it be knownthat they wanted a more vocal/in your face leadership than what mcd provided. We all love zucc, but what about him has ever projected vocal and in the face of his teammates?

Square peg meet round hole...
 
bleedblue94 said:
Can someone explain to me how this zucc as captain thing makes sense beyond the wet dream of some people here:

One year from Ufa, but more importantly the organization openly let it be knownthat they wanted a more vocal/in your face leadership than what mcd provided. We all love zucc, but what about him has ever projected vocal and in the face of his teammates?

Square peg meet round hole...
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He talks with people on the bench...

Seriously though, Lias/Howden/Lindgren or possibly someone like Karlsson if they get him will be the next C. If Lias was called up right after the letter was sent out, he would have thrown Zucc into the stands for how he was playing by the third week of february.
 
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bleedblue94 said:
Can someone explain to me how this zucc as captain thing makes sense beyond the wet dream of some people here:

One year from Ufa, but more importantly the organization openly let it be knownthat they wanted a more vocal/in your face leadership than what mcd provided. We all love zucc, but what about him has ever projected vocal and in the face of his teammates?

Square peg meet round hole...
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Gorton has made it clear that Ranger management wasn’t happy with the leadership core. How does Zuccarello escape criticism that fell at the feet of the rest of the players that were moved? Zuccarello has special ‘leadership’ powers like Callahan did apparently.
 
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Look, I love Zucc as a player but people need to come to terms with the fact that we may have already seen his peak and that despite his tenacity on the ice, which is beyond admirable, he's not necessarily a leader in the way this team needs a captain to be.
 
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I'm not sure hwy we even need to delve into whether Zuccarello is a leader or not. He is on the wrong side of 30, 1 year from UFA. He will not be close to his prime in 2-3 years when this team really is ready to compete again. Conversation over.

He has been a very good Ranger and an absolute fan favorite. The guy is an energizer bunny and brings it pretty much every night. I wish him nothing but the best of luck elsewhere
 
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I'm quite a bit behind here, but just realized it was announced the cap is going up anywhere betwee 78-82M. This is huge for this team that is already going to have 24M in space at the current 75M cap. Bettman said the league has never been healthier and there was 8.2% revenue growth. And that is December 17 announcement so I'm guessing by this point, they would be seeing half-year projections to see where they land in that range. I bet that half-year assessment is looking great with Vegas making their run and most likely guaranteed to sell out of season ticket sales again. Let's just go with the hopeful high-end of 82M... 7M more which is an entire top-6/top-4 player or an easy Marc Staal buyout. As good of a position as the team was in already with a young NHL roster and plethora of ELC's to fill-in with, 5-7M more will be some sweet icing.

Unless NYR are getting a major return, I'd rather see them try and lock up Zucc for a 3 season extension to roll in line with Zibanejad. He can teach some of these young guys about hustle and overcoming obstacles. Financially they can afford it and he holds cap space that can be flipped to Zib if he turns into the player we hope he'll be in his prime.

But, I think Kreider should be captain of this team. He's a leader, a protector and the fact that he got a new lease on hockey life this season is something that is overlooked. I think his experiences in this league would be a great, positive influence on the guys coming up.
 
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NYR713 said:
I'm quite a bit behind here, but just realized it was announced the cap is going up anywhere betwee 78-82M. This is huge for this team that is already going to have 24M in space at the current 75M cap. Bettman said the league has never been healthier and there was 8.2% revenue growth. And that is December 17 announcement so I'm guessing by this point, they would be seeing half-year projections to see where they land in that range. I bet that half-year assessment is looking great with Vegas making their run and most likely guaranteed to sell out of season ticket sales again. Let's just go with the hopeful high-end of 82M... 7M more which is an entire top-6/top-4 player or an easy Marc Staal buyout. As good of a position as the team was in already with a young NHL roster and plethora of ELC's to fill-in with, 5-7M more will be some sweet icing.

Unless NYR are getting a major return, I'd rather see them try and lock up Zucc for a 3 season extension to roll in line with Zibanejad. He can teach some of these young guys about hustle and overcoming obstacles. Financially they can afford it and he holds cap space that can be flipped to Zib if he turns into the player we hope he'll be in his prime.

But, I think Kreider should be captain of this team. He's a leader, a protector and the fact that he got a new lease on hockey life this season is something that is overlooked. I think his experiences in this league would be a great, positive influence on the guys coming up.
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I think that the estimated range is 80-84m now with more and more counting on the PA not using the inflator (80 without it, 84 with it).

I just don’t get the UFAs like Cam Atkinson taking team friendly contracts, the UFA market is going to be nuts. Doughty getting 14m per? What will Karlsson get?
 
Lundqvist has been the team's captain for years now despite not having a letter on his sweater. We have vets on this team. We don't need to invest money on a player who's going to ultimately begin the inevitable battle with father time. Zucc was a very good Ranger, but all good things come to an end.

Some of you guys get too attached to players. Move on. We're a rebuilding team. Zucc should be moved for future assets. Let him go and try and win a cup somewhere like Nash, Grabner(lol) and McDonagh.
 
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Webster said:
The possibility that Zucc becomes Rangers next Captain is being backed up by Elite Sports NY today, very good article. Hard to understand why some of you want to trade him, he could help the Rangers to become a cup contender in just a couple of years.
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I prefer not to use blogs as sources.
 
Webster said:
The possibility that Zucc becomes Rangers next Captain is being backed up by Elite Sports NY today, very good article. Hard to understand why some of you want to trade him, he could help the Rangers to become a cup contender in just a couple of years.
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I think it's somewhat important to note that it's not really a "want" to trade him. I'd much rather this team still be in it's window and him a vital part of the squad we send out there.

It's more of an understanding and openness to the idea that this team's direction and work-at-hand, combined with his age and contract status, might lead to a trade that provides the Rangers with a good return, for a player who still has value, so that they can continue to plan for the future.

I don't think this team has to remain in the basement for half of a decade. But even if 90 percent of things fall into place, I think we're going to need more than two years before we're a legit cup contender.
 
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NYR Viper said:
I'm not sure hwy we even need to delve into whether Zuccarello is a leader or not. He is on the wrong side of 30, 1 year from UFA. He will not be close to his prime in 2-3 years when this team really is ready to compete again. Conversation over.

He has been a very good Ranger and an absolute fan favorite. The guy is an energizer bunny and brings it pretty much every night. I wish him nothing but the best of luck elsewhere
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Agreed with everything you said. The last gift he can impart on us is to being back more assets either for the upcoming draft or next year's.
 
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Kreider should be the next captain, all things with the roster being equal. He's the guy this organization has been waiting on to finally "get it." His problem has always been consistency. Give him some real responsibility and I think he will thrive.

I wouldn't mind Zucc as captain. The man has the heart of a god damn lion, but he needs to be extended at a reasonable cap hit if that's going to happen. There's no point in handing the captaincy to a guy who could be gone at the deadline. I don't want another Callahan/McDonagh situation with trade speculation.

Otherwise, just pick someone like Staal as a placeholder until a younger player like Andersson grows into the role.
 
Fitzy Duke of NY said:
I realize its a nice heuristic, but I don't know why we keep chatting about contracts like the same age means the same thing for each player.

Some players decline at 28, others at 34. Some players produce at 80% of their peak until 37 and 50% until 40, others are out of the NHL by 33. Gretzky's best season was at age 23, doesn't mean he didn't hold his level of play for a long time.

It's very difficult to predict. Chimera is a lower skilled comparable to Kreider and he put up 2 20 goal seasons at ages 37 and 38.
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This is key. RB is saying to trade Kreider because he'll be 29, but Kreider strikes me as one of the few guys who can play until 35-36 years old in this league.

Hayes is only 26. a 5-6 year deal is good. Zibanejad still has 4 years left on his deal.

Working under the impression that this team will be good in 3 year basically meas you have to start moving your late 20's players right now, and I'm not quite sure I'm onboard with that. Simply getting younger and never getting full value out of that asset (e.g. their play on the ice for YOUR team) doesn't make sense to me
 
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