Amazing Kreiderman
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Stepan should have been the captain. And we should have traded Zuccarello before trading Stepan.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XIV: There ain't no gettin' off of this train we're on
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Stepan should have been the captain. And we should have traded Zuccarello before trading Stepan.
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Well he did, because he's full of emotion and passion for the game. Something else you obviously failed to recognize about him...incredible as it is.
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This recent core lacked fire and mental toughness. Too many one on one battles lost, too many blown leads especially in the post season. Too many mailed in performances top to bottom. The only time I saw some passion was to tell lundqvist to relax after a passing clinic ended with a goal against. That core asked management to remove tortorella for being too mean.
The make up worked for two runs and then it didn't. If people can look at this team and find accountability and a strong voice, kudos because I'm not seeing it and the results kind of support the eye test. The window closed and the time has come to reload for the next run. Let the new core find their way with a clean break. Cash in the former core for assets. No room for sentimentality.
The make up worked for two runs and then it didn't. If people can look at this team and find accountability and a strong voice, kudos because I'm not seeing it and the results kind of support the eye test. The window closed and the time has come to reload for the next run. Let the new core find their way with a clean break. Cash in the former core for assets. No room for sentimentality.
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Looking at CapFriendly--there are only two teams with more projected cap space for next year than the Rangers--they are the Hurricanes and the Islanders. I think that's a hoot. Rangers do have to re-sign Hayes and Skjei though and maybe Namestnikov or Spooner if they don't move them and Vesey who will get a raise--just not a big one.
Just curious why you feel this way?
I thought Zucc had a good playoffs (huge goals game 6 vs montreal) while Stepan looked slow and always looked steps behind. Also Stepan had that dreaded no trade clause kicking in.
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You get the impression one of those names won't be here. A bunch of entry level contracts knocking at the door. Maybe a 2018 pick forces their way on.
Might be an opportunity to grab some assets for a cap dump. Some budget teams looking to reduce payroll during the transition phase. Some competitive teams looking for relief. We were on one side of that story before, we know what the price is.
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Because Stepan was much more important to this team than Zuccarello ever was or will be. I understand they wanted to trade the contract and the contract was not perfect, but as a player, Stepan was the backbone of this team. People often criticize him for not putting up enough points, but he was still a top-30 center in goals and points, and that comes with his very good defensive game as well. I am happy we went this route to rebuild, and eventually we will trade Zuccarello as well, but Stepan was a huge loss to this team.
He was a huge loss last season. He was VERY very important to this team and I agree his defensive game was sometimes overlooked and undervalued BUT the 2017 playoffs were very concerning. He looked so slow compared to high tempo game which is the playoffs. JG had to make a decision and most likely made the right one.
Zucc was also very important to the Rangers. I'm not trying to compare players or set up a debate who was the better player but because of the contract situation and the NTC going forward it was an obvious call trading one over the other. And most likely Stepan being a center brought back a bit more than Zucc could.
eco's bones
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The Rangers will sign some UFA's I'm pretty sure. They always do. Target the younger ones. If we don't go after the big names like Tavares/Carlson the majority of what's left can be kept to shorter term deals which makes them a lot easier to move for other assets. It's a challenge when you have that much cap space to work with--to make it work for you--but if you don't use it it won't work for you.
As far as taking on other team's garbage--short term is one thing---long term is another. I'm more for the short term. Anything over two years--forget it.
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Stepan had value to Arizona as he was a good player and had term left. They have trouble signing good players to term.
Zucc has one remaining year left on his contract.
Draft picks and good prospects at the draft have likely their highest annual value. The demand for picks at the draft likely does not get any higher. The demand for good prospects who have cheap cap hits before UFA season?
I'm all for the Rangers trading established NHLers for good futures if they can but I have a difficult time understanding why the returning value would be there to make it worthwhile at the draft.
Perhaps after the draft, into UFA season should a team miss out on who they'd like to sign, or into camp if they experience an injury or feel they are missing a piece, but I think if the Rangers end up moving Zucc at the draft the return will be pretty underwhelming as they would be going against basic market forces.
If they want to get more good picks at the draft, use players who have term left as most of the good picks will be owned by teams who would place the highest value on good NHLers who have term left, not ones who only have a single season left.
If they are after a prospect instead, fine, but again I don't really see what the motivation is for the trading team as if that prospects is developing well, they have plenty of time to keep said prospect and look for another avenue to also attain a Zucc like player.
Zucc has one remaining year left on his contract.
Draft picks and good prospects at the draft have likely their highest annual value. The demand for picks at the draft likely does not get any higher. The demand for good prospects who have cheap cap hits before UFA season?
I'm all for the Rangers trading established NHLers for good futures if they can but I have a difficult time understanding why the returning value would be there to make it worthwhile at the draft.
Perhaps after the draft, into UFA season should a team miss out on who they'd like to sign, or into camp if they experience an injury or feel they are missing a piece, but I think if the Rangers end up moving Zucc at the draft the return will be pretty underwhelming as they would be going against basic market forces.
If they want to get more good picks at the draft, use players who have term left as most of the good picks will be owned by teams who would place the highest value on good NHLers who have term left, not ones who only have a single season left.
If they are after a prospect instead, fine, but again I don't really see what the motivation is for the trading team as if that prospects is developing well, they have plenty of time to keep said prospect and look for another avenue to also attain a Zucc like player.
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I would trade Zucc for a reclamation project and 2019 picks.
I would presume certain teams are much more willing to part ways with future picks than others.
Either way, I’d be looking to stock up on picks for next year.
I would presume certain teams are much more willing to part ways with future picks than others.
Either way, I’d be looking to stock up on picks for next year.
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Brendan Smith says hello, holy smoke the Rangers got burned there. He'll probably be back on the roster next season, hard to call this an improvement on the blueline. All the leaks backwards should be fixed asap. Priority 1.
^ Zuccarello for Lazar and 2019 CGY first lottery protected might work for both sides, but I doubt Flames want to give up another 1st.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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I’d be looking for a dumb team that will leave the first unprotected
Like Florida, or Carolina perhaps
Calgary already laerned how that can burn you, so they won’t do it again, i presume
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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Nooooooooo please noooooo. Maybe Fox for 28th pick. Zucc should garner a mid round first either this or next year (2019)
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If he can, thats great but I don't think he will.
Combination of the over saturation of "better", or at least ones with better reputations, wingers available for trade (Patches, Skinner, Hoffman, potentially Kessel) plus the lack of pedigree will cap his return at something lower than people are expecting.
I'd be fine with Fox for 28 as well, provided that we can get him signed.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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There’s no guarantees he even signs with us, right?
Either way, he’s certainly not worth that package on his own, and Bennett is someone I’d maybe give up a 3rd for, so to me the Rangers are getting fisted.
He would obviously be a good fit on this team and Calgary seems to have abundance of good young D but it would be hard to part with Zucc and one of our firsts for him. Calgary may be desperate to get back into the first round. How about the 26th pick for Fox straight up would that work?
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