Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIII

[Heckler81]

If we continue to struggle...

How many games into the season before we think about trading pieces?

-30?
-40?
-Does not matter the slump, it will only be at the Trade deadline?

 

[Leetch3]

If we continue to struggle...

How many games into the season before we think about trading pieces?

-30?
-40?
-Does not matter the slump, it will only be at the Trade deadline?

it will be at the deadline unless someone makes a big offer sooner

 

[SA16]

If we continue to struggle...

How many games into the season before we think about trading pieces?

-30?
-40?
-Does not matter the slump, it will only be at the Trade deadline?

Makes no differences the pieces are being traded regardless.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

If we continue to struggle...

How many games into the season before we think about trading pieces?

-30?
-40?
-Does not matter the slump, it will only be at the Trade deadline?

Who do you want to trade?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Staal's NMC is not preventing us from sending him down...the rangers having zero interest in sending him down is preventing them from sending him down.

A no move clause literally means you can't move him

 

[I Eat Crow]

Barstool Sports

Who here wrote this article? Actually not a half bad take on things, but nothing earth shattering here.

 

[Leetch3]

A no move clause literally means you can't move him

but it doesn't matter if the team doesn't want to move him...people seem to have this idea that staal is on the team because he has a NMC when in reality its because the rangers think he should be in the lineup. the NMC doesn't prevent him from being scratched if the team thought he was the problem but they don't.

 

[SA16]

but it doesn't matter if the team doesn't want to move him...people seem to have this idea that staal is on the team because he has a NMC when in reality its because the rangers think he should be in the lineup. the NMC doesn't prevent him from being scratched if the team thought he was the problem but they don't.

He has a NSC in his contract also. That's why there was all the debate over the status of his clauses a few years ago.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Barstool Sports

Who here wrote this article? Actually not a half bad take on things, but nothing earth shattering here.

"They suck." But why?

They are a rebuilding team with lots of young players and the rest of the lineup is filled out with older, slower, worser players and their coach is not an NHL level coach.

Mystery solved. End article.

 

[Tawnos]

He has a NSC in his contract also. That's why there was all the debate over the status of his clauses a few years ago.

No-Stickhandling-Clause?

If only.

 

[Trxjw]

If we continue to struggle...

How many games into the season before we think about trading pieces?

-30?
-40?
-Does not matter the slump, it will only be at the Trade deadline?

D: Whenever the right offer comes along.

I think there are some guys who are certainly going to be dealt if the market is there. It's just a matter of when that market materializes. Usually teams aren't making moves for rentals early in the season and the Rangers don't have many appealing players with term who could also be on the trade block.

The other story line is whether or not the Rangers start to feel that the lack of NHL-caliber LHD depth, or the lack of viable options for the 2C, are starting to become a detriment to the development of other players. I think it's a long shot, but there's a small chance the Rangers could decide they need someone better than Strome, Howden, Andersson, or Chytil to play with Kakko for a year.

 

[Tawnos]

D: Whenever the right offer comes along.

I think there are some guys who are certainly going to be dealt if the market is there. It's just a matter of when that market materializes. Usually teams aren't making moves for rentals early in the season and the Rangers don't have many appealing players with term who could also be on the trade block.

The other story line is whether or not the Rangers start to feel that the lack of NHL-caliber LHD depth, or the lack of viable options for the 2C, are starting to become a detriment to the development of other players. I think it's a long shot, but there's a small chance the Rangers could decide they need someone better than Strome, Howden, Andersson, or Chytil to play with Kakko for a year.

Remember when the Islanders traded for Vanek as a rental in October... only to be out of the playoff picture by the deadline, so they dealt him away as a rental?

 

[Ola]

it will be at the deadline unless someone makes a big offer sooner

My prognosis is that it’s unlikely that anything happen before the deadline.

NHL GMs are really risk adverse. This pushes everything to the deadline and a week or two before.

In the normal course of business the NHL GM’s job is very unexposed so to speak. In like 29-30 franchises there are no pressure to win anything. Everyone realize that you must build long term and that short term drives don’t really work. And the long term prospects of a franchise is of course tremendously hard for owners to evaluate. Are draft picks good or not? It takes a lot to be sacked due to bad drafting.

But trades can really backfire. And they are brought up for a long time on a GMs resume.

BUT, one exception is deals made at the deadline. Why? Safety in the numbers. If you dealt a 1st and a B-tier prospect for a rental that turned out to do absolutely nothing, by many account make the team worse — what is the big deal? Every other GM in the league have done that.

 

[Trxjw]

Remember when the Islanders traded for Vanek as a rental in October... only to be out of the playoff picture by the deadline, so they dealt him away as a rental?

Sure do. Though I think that was in part due to the fact that they added Vanek with the intention on trying to get him signed to a contract and he spurned them.

 

[TheTakedown]

Yep. And sometimes we trade away a prospect everyone gets all bent out of shape about and he struggles to make any NHL team.

Like Christian Thomas or Ryan Haggerty or Wolski

 

[Tawnos]

Like Christian Thomas or Ryan Haggerty or Wolski

Well... Wolski was 25 by then.

But I was thinking even more significantly of Saarela. He's still got time though.

 

[Tawnos]

Sure do. Though I think that was in part due to the fact that they added Vanek with the intention on trying to get him signed to a contract and he spurned them.

That's possible. What's weird is that I have a memory of him performing poorly on the Island, but looking at his numbers, they seem in line with where he was at that stage.

 

[LORDE]

D: Whenever the right offer comes along.

I think there are some guys who are certainly going to be dealt if the market is there. It's just a matter of when that market materializes. Usually teams aren't making moves for rentals early in the season and the Rangers don't have many appealing players with term who could also be on the trade block.

The other story line is whether or not the Rangers start to feel that the lack of NHL-caliber LHD depth, or the lack of viable options for the 2C, are starting to become a detriment to the development of other players. I think it's a long shot, but there's a small chance the Rangers could decide they need someone better than Strome, Howden, Andersson, or Chytil to play with Kakko for a year.

Kakko on 1st line = problem solved

 

[Trxjw]

That's possible. What's weird is that I have a memory of him performing poorly on the Island, but looking at his numbers, they seem in line with where he was at that stage.

Oddly enough I had the same thought about his performance. However I do recall him turning down a big offer from the Isles in Jan/Feb of that year and insisting he wanted to test the market.

 

[Trxjw]

Kakko on 1st line = problem solved

In theory, but not so much in application. IMO he's not ready for those kind of minutes.

 

[Tawnos]

Oddly enough I had the same thought about his performance. However I do recall him turning down a big offer from the Isles in Jan/Feb of that year and insisting he wanted to test the market.

Maybe it was just that he didn't help the Islanders become good enough to be a playoff team.

 

[TheDirtyH]

I think they are together to avoid rushing kids to the top line...when chytil is back in ny and they feel that kakko is ready to take the next step you'll probably see them split up to create balance on the top 2 lines. not sure when it will happen but would bet that its what we see in the 2nd half of the year.

I don't see it since you don't need to have kids on the top line to break them up. Realistically, you could ice something like:

20 - 93 - 17
10 - _ - 89
48 - _ - 24
14 - _ - 42

If anything, splitting them makes it more likely that you're relieving some of the kids of difficult minutes and helping spread the scoring around.

Maybe it was just that he didn't help the Islanders become good enough to be a playoff team.

IIRC they had an amazing top line with Okposo on the other wing. It was his best season bc of the chemistry between the three of them.

 

[Tawnos]

IIRC they had an amazing top line with Okposo on the other wing. It was his best season bc of the chemistry between the three of them.

You mean Okposo's best season, right?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Panarin is a passer. Zib and Fast are the shooters.

Panarin is a hybrid. It makes no sense to have 3 righties on a line, the only thing that helps is that Panarin usually plays on his off wing anyway but 3 righties isnt ideal. Outside of that I think their styles are what you want a line to be. I would have preferred they kept Strome and Fast together as they seemed to have something going in the 3rd the other night, might have helped with what we want as a 2nd line with Kakko.

 

[Edge]

Oddly enough I had the same thought about his performance. However I do recall him turning down a big offer from the Isles in Jan/Feb of that year and insisting he wanted to test the market.

Right now, I feel like I am more inclined to want to see Andersson on the second line than I am to see Kakko on the first.