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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIII

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Zibanejad is probably the organization's most valuable trade commodity at this time, should they choose to wield it. Im not sure why they would at this time. Things could get interesting if management feels this plan will take more than 3 years (which it very well might, at this rate)
 
Go Away Staal said:
No one is, but of the "vets" I'd say hes probably the closest thing to.
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Nonsense..
I tend to skip all the common sense details when I'm typing from a phone but I'll gladly switch over to PC if someone can actually give me a valid argument as to what makes Zib that special where he's untouchable...
 
Not exclusive to your phone, just saying.

I didn't say he was untouchable, I said of the players on the team who aren't on their ELCs (excluding Buchnevich and DeAngelo bc reasons) hes the least likely the move.

Reasons being?

Hes a legitimate top 6 center and a PP catalyst.

He is signed long term at a good price.

He plays in every situation.

Hes is of the age where it makes sense to keep him around.

Hes right in the middle of what ever is our most productive line at any given moment.


These are exactly the reasons why he would fetch most in a trade, because he isn't the type of player you're looking to move. This isn't a Hayes or Zucc situation where you have pending UFA's (and in Zucc's case, one who is almost for sure not going to be worth his next contract), he's already inked for the next few years.


If they get Jack Hughes, Lias gets called up and kills it and Howden keeps doing what hes doing we can revisit this, but until then it makes no sense to even entertain the thought, unless another team gives you a reason to.
 
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Go Away Staal said:
Not exclusive to your phone, just saying.

I didn't say he was untouchable, I said of the players on the team who aren't on their ELCs (excluding Buchnevich and DeAngelo bc reasons) hes the least likely the move.

Reasons being?

Hes a legitimate top 6 center and a PP catalyst.

He is signed long term at a good price.

He plays in every situation.

Hes is of the age where it makes sense to keep him around.

Hes right in the middle of what ever is our most productive line at any given moment.


These are exactly the reasons why he would fetch most in a trade, because he isn't the type of player you're looking to move. This isn't a Hayes or Zucc situation where you have pending UFA's (and in Zucc's case, one who is almost for sure not going to be worth his next contract), he's already inked for the next few years.


If they get Jack Hughes, Lias gets called up and kills it and Howden keeps doing what hes doing we can revisit this, but until then it makes no sense to even entertain the thought, unless another team gives you a reason to.
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having zman as the 2c is ideal assuming jack hughes is your 1

hes not kevin hayes.

he stays
 
Go Away Staal said:
Not exclusive to your phone, just saying.

I didn't say he was untouchable, I said of the players on the team who aren't on their ELCs (excluding Buchnevich and DeAngelo bc reasons) hes the least likely the move.

Reasons being?

Hes a legitimate top 6 center and a PP catalyst.

He is signed long term at a good price.

He plays in every situation.

Hes is of the age where it makes sense to keep him around.

Hes right in the middle of what ever is our most productive line at any given moment.


These are exactly the reasons why he would fetch most in a trade, because he isn't the type of player you're looking to move. This isn't a Hayes or Zucc situation where you have pending UFA's (and in Zucc's case, one who is almost for sure not going to be worth his next contract), he's already inked for the next few years.


If they get Jack Hughes, Lias gets called up and kills it and Howden keeps doing what hes doing we can revisit this, but until then it makes no sense to even entertain the thought, unless another team gives you a reason to.
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I get all the current state of the team stuff and even agree to a point but I would like to know what your thoughts are about Zib and his play specifically.

Strengths vs weaknesses?

He may play in every situation right now but I'll have to disagree on him being effective when the games count.

I can't take the fkn floating.

It makes me nutz!
 
Ok so we are hopeful but if any of Chytil, Anderson, Howden end up as good as Zibanajad we would be very lucky, 1 might, 2 might, none might. Why not keep him? If you trade him you may have to go looking for a player like him. Hes a good insurance policy if those guys dont get to that level.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Zibanejad is probably the organization's most valuable trade commodity at this time, should they choose to wield it. Im not sure why they would at this time. Things could get interesting if management feels this plan will take more than 3 years (which it very well might, at this rate)
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IMO the only acceptable trade is for Jack Hughes level player..
 
Rangers can go a bunch of different direction at C. Jack Hughes would obviously be a lovely prize, but I'm a big fan of Dylan Cozens as well. Think his size/ability to stay on the puck will translate well to the professional game. Unlike last year, I think this year is much stronger at C in the first 10-15 selections. A few have mid-tier 1C potential, and it makes sense to cash in on that strength.

I've honestly been so damn impressed by Brett Howden. Plays such a smart game. Assuming Hayes is traded (hopefully soon), and possibly Zucc, though he is much more likely to stay, I would like to call Lias up (sooner than later), slide Chytil back and have the organization's two 2017 first-round picks as the middle-six centers down the stretch. I doubt Quinn would make this move, but I've always wanted to experiment with Mika on the wing, more so because the strongest asset to his game is obviously his shot, which -- based on the eye test -- feels like he doesn't utilize quite enough. That, and he isn't the strongest two-way player. I see people call him a floater (half-true), and while you can't necessarily hide an OK defender by switching positions, I do think there is value in tinkering to see how his overall production rises/dips. A line of Kreider-Howden/Lias-Zibanejad would be really interesting to test out.

Going forward, Zibanejad's injury history + 82-game production pace wouldn't have me thinking twice about moving him. If push comes to shove and the Rangers land a top five pick, I actually think it would be in their best interest to take another center and explore trade options involving Zibanejad, primarily for defense help, or turning him into another high first-round pick. Zib is valuable, so it would obviously need to be a case of moving him in the "right" trade. If the Devils turned Adam Henrique into Sami Vatanen, Zibanejad's hypothetical return would be a LOT more enticing, and worth it for Gorton and company to explore the route.
 
Not relevant to the current draft, but did anyone else here on Friedman's 31 thoughts podcast that he thought the Rangers had ranked Pettersson first overall in 2017, and that's who they were trying to move up for to Dallas' pick ?

Damn Canucks taking our guy
 
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Edge said:
With Hayes there was probably the hope that maybe he would shine in his chance to be a second line center for the team, put it all together and maybe hit that 25 goal, 55 point range. Unfortunately, that does not look like it's going to happen.

I also think there was some concern about going into the season without having a better understanding of where Andersson, Chytil and Howden were at. Several months later, that picture is at least a little more clear.

But the odds of signing Hayes long-term were always less than 50/50, at least in my opinion.
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The bold was the primary reason why they gave him a 1 year deal. The underlined was secondary.

This is my opinion but the end game was to have one of the guys they acquired supplant Hayes from his position. None of us thought it owuld be Howden but it's looking more and more like that.
 
NYR Viper said:
The Rangers have a very real possibility of having (8) 1st rounders in a matter of 3 years. When was the last time that happened to any team?
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People can shit on Sather, but at least he didn't run the team into the ground in terms of asset management. Gave gorton guys to actually sell for future pieces
 
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This is the problem with free agents. Everyone wanted Tavares. After one month, the Toronto media is already questioning the signing. He is not worth it. Just wait a few more years when JT is in his 30’s.

The same people here who wanted Tavares now want Panarin. It will accelerate the rebuilding. What’s the rush? It will only complicate the rebuild.

The Leafs tried to accelerate their rebuild by signing Marleau. He stinks too.

Kovalchuk got the Marleau contract.

The Rangers were smart enough to avoid 3 years and $18.75M for Kovalchuk and they need to do the same thing with Panarin.
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Stop believing report you read. You are the biggest sucker for clickbait ever
 
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That's fair. I just think the players are going to succeed or fail regardless of what they do with Panarin and they're going to need to make a Panarin-like move at some point anyway. Here's the opportunity (potentially).

There's an argument to be made that next year is essentially going to be year 5 of the rebuild, from the perspective of where our prospects are.

Year 1 2016: Howden, Hajek, Rykov, Lindgren, Ronning, Fontaine, Gettinger
Year 2 2017: Andersson, Chytil, Pionk, Georgiev, Virta
Year 3 2018: Kravtsov, Miller, Lundkvist, Keane
Year 4 2019: Whoever we draft this year, plus add to the other years whatever prospects we pick up in trades of vets
Year 5 2020:

My point is mostly that, even though the rebuild really began in earnest last year, the structure of the organization is further along than most people think of it at this point. The Rangers should really be looking to move into competitiveness by 20-21 at the latest... signing Panarin next year only anticipates that by 1 season.
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Truth. The real year the rebuild started was that Stepan Trade in 2017...
 
TheTakedown said:
Truth. The real year the rebuild started was that Stepan Trade in 2017...
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I think the first indication was the Brassard-Zibanejad trade. That was a re-tool, by getting younger while keeping the same production on the team. We went full rebuild by trading our other top-6 center for futures.
 
So wait, the Rangers shouldnt sign Panarin because Tavares is producing in Toronto?? Their situations are entirely different too. Toronto was/is in the spot to add a star player to what they had already built. It was the right move. The only issue, well its a big issue, is they are in cap hell and will continue to have tough decisions to make. The Rangers, however, are not in cap trouble. They will have plenty of cap space to sign Panarin and even another top player and STILL be ok to sign their young guys after their ELC deals expire, AND manage to keep Kreider and Zib on the roster. Zucc/Nams/Spooner/Hayes/Staal are contracts that most or all will be gone in the next two years. Panarin is an elite talent. You have the chance to get him so you damn well do it.
 
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