Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[Machinehead]

If I was 25 years younger, I'd be at Duke's 4 nights a week.

If I was 25 years younger, I'd be 8.

I'd have no money and the Rangers would still suck.

 

[IDvsEGO]

They waived Goodrow in the exact same way 6 months ago but its unheard of now?

Because the season has started.
Same reason why it’s easier to do trades in the offseason.

 

[eco's bones]

Things very rarely happened according to script. You have all kinds of hopes but shit happens and much more often than not they get dialed back. Last year the regular season was just fantastic beyond anything that I and I'm sure others were expecting which naturally led to bigger hopes for the postseason which started out great too.

Coming off of that with pretty close to the same team expectations for this year were pretty high but so far the regular season compared to last year has been opposite day. I'm kind of expecting some moves are going to be made. It might not be the most underwhelming players because those guys might be the hardest to move. Shit happens.

What I will say is the Rangers aren't going to punish their team into success. Shit don't work that way. You punish your workforce (and we're not just talking about a hockey team) and you almost always end up with even worse results and you create animosity and resentment. So what you do do needs to be thoughtful or considered. It seems to me that this team has lost some faith in itself. That might go on for a while or even take this entire year to get over......consider also that the 1993 Rangers team had underwhelming performances from any number of players including their big stars and did not make the playoffs.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Have we *ever* tried Schneider with Fox?

He can play LD effectively.

He's defensively responsible.

Is an above average skater who can keep up with Fox and cover him so he can take more chances.

Has no problem playing Bad Cop. Not that Fox is a wimp, but you dont want him in the box or injured.

Can pass effectively. Is a rare throwback that has an effective slapper. To play offhand and be that option for Fox is a huge asset. Playing off hand with his back to the boards is a cheat to get back on defence quicker.

Fox is being held back by having to be a "complete" defensman becasue of inadequate partners on this roster.

Miller should have been a good fit. Hes athletic enough. Has offensive instincts. But lacks defensive zone reading, has no will to be the Bad Cop, and clearly wasnt effective when given the opportunity.

I know we have a pleathora of issues. But getting the D figured out should be paramount.

Before we go haphazardly plugging in whatever vet scraps some other GM "may" be willing to trade for whoever we can jimmy-rig out the door through a contract loophole.

It may be prudent to exhaust ALL options.

At a minimum, we "could" ride out the season with...

Miller-Trouba
Schneider-Fox
Jones-Mancini (sheltered 8-10m/per/g)

Then re-evaluate if Trouba and/or Miller need to be moved, and we have the 10% cap overage to work with as well as UFA, Draft, summer inactivity.

Get assets now for Lindgren. He's a worthwhile rental and the room (kids we want to take leadership at some point) needs him elsewhere. IMO, he makes too much to be resigned and giving him a salary reduction isnt gonna work for multiple reasons.

And honestly, i'd seriously consider taking the C from Trouba and putting it on Trocheck. He'd be my interm Captain till contract runs out and hopefully one of the kids steps up then. There is nothing written in stone that a player cant be stripped of the Captaincy while they are still on the roster. Im pretty sure they did it to Marleau in SJ iirc and he was the drafted golden boy there.

Just my $0.02c

 

[noncents]

agree that once trouba is gone, if we need an interim captain, Troch is the guy

 

[UnparalledPark]

I've been passing on the Stars' posts to a friend who's a Dallas fan....here's his take on what we've commented on (especially Bourque):

"absolutely not on Bourque, Dallas’ blue chip prospects pool is about ¼ inch deep, and Dallas needs zero more veteran forwards. I wouldn’t really expect them to add a forward at all to replace Seguin this year, they’ll take the position that it’s time for others to step up."

Thought I'd pass this along.

Makes sense. That’s why I believe it will take a Schneider, Miller or Laf added to any deal to get a young talented C or LD, though to be honest I’m not a big fan of Bourque anyway. I think Kreider could really help Dallas too. Oh well, their loss.

 

[TominNC]

If I was 25 years younger, I'd be 8.

I'd have no money and the Rangers would still suck.

If I was 25 years younger I'd still be older than you are now. Damn

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

If I was 25 years younger I'd still be older than you are now. Damn

damn youre old af

 

[Clark Kellogg]

After 1 Wolf Pack up 1-0 @ Bridgeport.
Belzile with the goal.
Harland in goal.
Chmler on PP1
Rempe having some good offensive opportunities. Set up a tic-tac-toe play with Mancini that didn’t hit net.
Matt also hit the crossbar bar on his last rush.

 

[JCProdigy]

Things very rarely happened according to script. You have all kinds of hopes but shit happens and much more often than not they get dialed back. Last year the regular season was just fantastic beyond anything that I and I'm sure others were expecting which naturally led to bigger hopes for the postseason which started out great too.

Coming off of that with pretty close to the same team expectations for this year were pretty high but so far the regular season compared to last year has been opposite day. I'm kind of expecting some moves are going to be made. It might not be the most underwhelming players because those guys might be the hardest to move. Shit happens.

What I will say is the Rangers aren't going to punish their team into success. Shit don't work that way. You punish your workforce (and we're not just talking about a hockey team) and you almost always end up with even worse results and you create animosity and resentment. So what you do do needs to be thoughtful or considered. It seems to me that this team has lost some faith in itself. That might go on for a while or even take this entire year to get over......consider also that the 1993 Rangers team had underwhelming performances from any number of players including their big stars and did not make the playoffs.

When somebody said they'd never seen this before during their Ranger fandom, the 92-93 team immediately came to mind. I was a kid then. Team coming off a President's Trophy run, losing to the eventual SC champs and really talented, they started off "ok" in the first month but nothing ever really came together and the wheels came off as the season went along. Injuries played a part (The famous Leetch injury) but it's still crazy how that team missed the playoffs entirely. That year sandwiched in between two of the best seasons in franchise history.

NHL-wise and more recently you can look at the Pens who in 15-16 came out the gate slow to only take off and win the cup after Sullivan took the helm. Hell, the Panthers had one of the best regular seasons of all time in 21-22. Hired Maurice for the following year, then friggin backed their way into the playoffs (needed Isles and Pens BOTH to lose on last day of season!) to get hot and go to the finals, before winning it last year.

Note: not saying this team compares to those Rangers teams, nor the Pens/Panthers. But shit can spiral for a multitude of reasons despite talent being present.

 

[mxyxptlk]

If I was 25 years younger I'd still be older than you are now. Damn

I feel you -- I'm up there myself.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

After 1 Wolf Pack up 1-0 @ Bridgeport.
Belzile with the goal.
Harland in goal.
Chmler on PP1
Rempe having some good offensive opportunities. Set up a tic-tac-toe play with Mancini that didn’t hit net.
Matt also hit the crossbar bar on his last rush.

Just realized I posted this in the wrong thread but since I’m here I’ll pass this on.
Team dressed 7 d-men but what gave me a double take is that Mancini is paired with Scanlin .
Scanlin is playing on the right and Mancini is playing on the left. Either the coach has lost his mind or they’re is a reason linked to an upcoming move.
I’m going to go with insane, because Robertson is also playing the right side even with Fitzgerald and Ruhwedel in the lineup.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

After a few days of thinking about this, we may as well pull the trigger on a new coaching staff. It's one thing when a guy or two is in free fall but now it seems all our best players are. I mean panarin trochek and Lafreniere started out really good but even they've fallen off. It's time, the coaches have no answers, the team has tuned them out imo.

 

[CTTribe73]

I feel you -- I'm up there myself.

I was 20 @ 93-94 Game 7.

 

[haohmaru]

I was 20 @ 93-94 Game 7.

I was 27 and @ that game.

 

[Daves a mess]

I was 20 @ 93-94 Game 7.

I was 29 lol

 

[Boris Zubov]

I was 27 and @ that game.

22 & also at the game.

I doubt we'll see another.

 

[mxyxptlk]

Now I truly feel old -- I was 43 in 1993

 

[Boris Zubov]

Now I truly feel old -- I was 43 in 1993

 

[will1066]

Laf left off Team Canada for the 4 Nations.

 

[Jim Ramsay]

After a few days of thinking about this, we may as well pull the trigger on a new coaching staff. It's one thing when a guy or two is in free fall but now it seems all our best players are. I mean panarin trochek and Lafreniere started out really good but even they've fallen off. It's time, the coaches have no answers, the team has tuned them out imo.

Why let these same players dictate that they get a new coach every other year?? The whole act is old and disappointing at this point.

Some players just need to be purged

 

[McRanger92]

When somebody said they'd never seen this before during their Ranger fandom, the 92-93 team immediately came to mind. I was a kid then. Team coming off a President's Trophy run, losing to the eventual SC champs and really talented, they started off "ok" in the first month but nothing ever really came together and the wheels came off as the season went along. Injuries played a part (The famous Leetch injury) but it's still crazy how that team missed the playoffs entirely. That year sandwiched in between two of the best seasons in franchise history.

NHL-wise and more recently you can look at the Pens who in 15-16 came out the gate slow to only take off and win the cup after Sullivan took the helm. Hell, the Panthers had one of the best regular seasons of all time in 21-22. Hired Maurice for the following year, then friggin backed their way into the playoffs (needed Isles and Pens BOTH to lose on last day of season!) to get hot and go to the finals, before winning it last year.

Note: not saying this team compares to those Rangers teams, nor the Pens/Panthers. But shit can spiral for a multitude of reasons despite talent being present.

Just watched the 04 Red Sox documentary on Netflix. Highly recommend. The Rangers have some similarities to that team. Point being, the season isn’t over and the Rangers are too good

 

[bernmeister]

Kreider isn’t a leader. Have you not noticed that in all these years!?

arguably
first and foremost
a leader leads by example

I have noticed his production says he IS a leader
have you noticed that?

 

[Synergy27]

I’m old but not as old as a lot of you old f***s. I feel good about that.

I also miss 2000s LES.

 

[will1066]

I’m old but not as old as a lot of you old f***s. I feel good about that.

I also miss 2000s LES.

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