Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[bernmeister]

Go deal with your stuff. These "explanations" of what you really meant are a complete waste of time and need a decoding ring to decipher.

Teams don't "extend their window" by dealing half of their starters in fantasy deals that will only happen on NHL 25 and even that program might crash trying to figure out the nonsense.

NMC's are part of offering competitive contracts in the NHL. If you don't offer them, you're not competitive and you're not signing high level players. Again, you being completely unrealistic. The merits are there, you're just unwilling to acknowledge them.

Wrong, based on math and additionally,

1. handful of vets does NOT = half of their starters.

2. "fantasy deals" is false, you do not offer any substantiation to your allegations.
Each deal had a credible basis for both sides;
e.g., KAM + Othmann was enuf profit for ANA, etc.

You want to dispute that, fine that is a matter of opinion, but you will require a legit basis to counter why not credible.

3. "NMC's are part of offering competitive contracts in the NHL. If you don't offer them, you're not competitive and you're not signing high level players." Not true in all cases. Sure, some will insist and in such situations you just say no. IMO sufficiently extensive NTCs can satisfy in lieu of NMCs, esp if you add a few $ at signing time.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

At some point, Drury and co need to really have a talk with Zibanejad’s camp about his future with this team. I don’t think we’re at that point yet, but if he doesn’t figure it out in the next 10-12 months, I think it becomes a real issue.

 

[zlev]

its painful that Carolina was able to sign a whole defensive pairing for less AAV than Trouba makes. Gostisbehere-Walker is the 2nd best defensive pairing in the league in xGF%. imagine them as our 2nd pair behind Miller-Fox (4th best in the league). we would be Cup favorites. Trouba really f***ed us for this season and we shouldn't forget it.

 

[zlev]

Jack Roslevic has 9 goals?

Not Mikas fault.

just look at what mid forwards can do when their defensemen have the puck moving up the ice consistently

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

its painful that Carolina was able to sign a whole defensive pairing for less AAV than Trouba makes. Gostisbehere-Walker is the 2nd best defensive pairing in the league in xGF%. imagine them as our 2nd pair behind Miller-Fox (4th best in the league). we would be Cup favorites. Trouba really f***ed us for this season and we shouldn't forget it.

Nah, Trouba didn’t f*** anyone over. Troubas buyout wouldve saved 4 million which was enough to get one of Ghost/Walker. Lindgren trade would’ve been enough for the other. NYR didn’t make changes because they didn’t want to. Also what makes anyone think Drury would’ve gotten those guys with the cap space and not someone shitty?

 

[SA16]

its painful that Carolina was able to sign a whole defensive pairing for less AAV than Trouba makes. Gostisbehere-Walker is the 2nd best defensive pairing in the league in xGF%. imagine them as our 2nd pair behind Miller-Fox (4th best in the league). we would be Cup favorites. Trouba really f***ed us for this season and we shouldn't forget it.

Well according to moneypuck the top 20 pairs in the league with 100+ mins in terms of xG% so far include:

Calvin De Haan/Sam Malinski
Jonathan Kovacevic
Brent Kulak and Ty emberson
Tyler Kleven and Jacon Bernard-Docker

Which should really tell you all you need to know about the validity of xG% in small samples.

Not to mention, 3 of the top 11 pairs come from the Hurricanes so do the Hurricanes just have like 6 of the best 20 dmen in the entire NHL or is it just their system?

 

[zlev]

Nah, Trouba didn’t f*** anyone over. Troubas buyout wouldve saved 4 million which was enough to get one of Ghost/Walker. Lindgren trade would’ve been enough for the other. NYR didn’t make changes because they didn’t want to. Also what makes anyone think Drury would’ve gotten those guys with the cap space and not someone shitty?

they were reportedly interested in Walker until it was clear they were stuck with Trouba. but yeah, probably not.

Well according to moneypuck the top 20 pairs in the league with 100+ mins in terms of xG% so far include:

Calvin De Haan/Sam Malinski
Jonathan Kovacevic
Brent Kulak and Ty emberson
Tyler Kleven and Jacon Bernard-Docker

Which should really tell you all you need to know about the validity of xG% in small samples.

Not to mention, 3 of the top 11 pairs come from the Hurricanes so do the Hurricanes just have like 6 of the best 20 dmen in the entire NHL or is it just their system?

it's because it's a small sample (it's only November 9th, that's all we can go by right now) but if you ignore the few outliers these are mostly elite pairings by name as well. Hronek/Hughes, Anderson and Gavirkov on two separate pairings, Burns/Slavin, Orlov/Chatfield, Ekholm/Bouchard and Karlsson/Petterson were all in the top 10 last season with at least 800min TOI. and if you lower it to 500min, a pairing with Sean Walker pops up in 6th.



and yes, Carolina has the best defensive corps in the league.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

they were reportedly interested in Walker until it was clear they were stuck with Trouba. but yeah, probably not

I still am really confused about the Trouba discourse. People seem to think NYR were stuck with him

 

[Savant]

I still am really confused about the Trouba discourse. People seem to think NYR were stuck with him

I mean if Trouba isn’t waiving they are stuck with him. The whole refuse to report probably carries less threat at the deadline, but they would have to move him mideseason

 

[zlev]

I still am really confused about the Trouba discourse. People seem to think NYR were stuck with him

i think they just refused to entertain the thought of buying him out, i dont think it was seriously considered. once a trade became impossible they were stuck with him, is my opinion.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

I mean if Trouba isn’t waiving they are stuck with him. The whole refuse to report probably carries less threat at the deadline, but they would have to move him mideseason

Again, they could’ve planned to buy him out and it would’ve given them 4 million of cap space to replace him. Several much better players signed with divisional opponents for less money

 

[TominNC]

1/6 is quite pissy odds for a team that's supposed to be at it's peak, no?

Much better than 28 other teams

 

[Savant]

Again, they could’ve planned to buy him out and it would’ve given them 4 million of cap space to replace him. Several much better players signed with divisional opponents for less money

I would have bought him out after the shit he pulled. You are preaching to the choir

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

i think they just refused to entertain the thought of buying him out, i dont think it was seriously considered. once a trade became impossible they were stuck with him, is my opinion.

I mean I believe that because they think he’s good. But it’s still worth pointing out that it’s their own very avoidable poor decision making

 

[noncents]

i was saying sean walker swan walker sean walker all offseason

 

[zlev]

I mean I believe that because they think he’s good. But it’s still worth pointing out that it’s their own very avoidable poor decision making

yeah i agree, "stuck" with him is probably a poor choice of words on my part. if i were GM i would've bought him out immediately and signed Walker.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

i was saying sean walker swan walker sean walker all offseason

You weren't the only one.

There were certain people (wont name names) who said Lindgren was better LOL.

 

[CLW]

Much better than 28 other teams

I guess it's a good thing the team won the President's Trophy so people can understand the obvious. /s

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Imo Drury and Trouba reached an agreement to move him next season when his wife is through. I don't think he will be here beyond this year.

 

[CLW]

Imo Drury and Trouba reached an agreement to move him next season when his wife is through. I don't think he will be here beyond this year.

Sure, but that left a lot of players and teammates who want to win the cup out to dry. Will Trouba dare to throw a helmet again this year?

 

[TominNC]

i think they just refused to entertain the thought of buying him out, i dont think it was seriously considered. once a trade became impossible they were stuck with him, is my opinion.

There were plenty of our fans here saying we should never buy someone out

 

[bobbop]

This is such a weird situation. Usually fans are too optimistic, favoring their team, not seeing the issues. But not Rangers fans. Every year they hate and hate and hate. All the other teams don't have the myriad issues we do. We suck. Our players suck, out coach sucks, our G sucks. We need to move everyone.

Then I go to the Athletic and lo and behold their writing staff STILL has the Rangers as a favorite to make the finals and a 1 in 6 shot to win the cup. Don't they see how absolutely awful we are? I guess maybe they haven't overreacted to a slump. Or they know nothing but all out Vinnie's from Brooklyn are hockey geniuses.

Damn

This is a veteran team still rounding into form. No reason to sell this early.

 

[Mr Mxmzptlk]

i think they just refused to entertain the thought of buying him out, i dont think it was seriously considered. once a trade became impossible they were stuck with him, is my opinion.

I always wondered if the Rangers could have somehow voided his contract if, after being traded, he refused to/didn't report.

 

[TominNC]

I always wondered if the Rangers could have somehow voided his contract if, after being traded, he refused to/didn't report.

After he’s traded he’s other teams problem

 

[Mr Mxmzptlk]

After he’s traded he’s other teams problem

I don't think it's that simple.....