Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[GAGLine]

Im think we let lindgren go and trouba traded. Sign marcus pettersson and move kreider if it means landing rantenen.

Rantanen isn't happening. Even if we move Kreider, we won't have the cap space. We'd have to let Shesty walk as well.

 

[Daves a mess]

Rantanen isn't happening. Even if we move Kreider, we won't have the cap space. We'd have to let Shesty walk as well.

Let him walk.

Jeff Malcolm Is a magic man.

 

[Guyute]

Rantanen is slow. That’s a contract that isnt likely to age well in my opinion. Do not want.

 

[eco's bones]

Don't see the Avalanche not having enough cap $'s to re-sign Rantanen. There's only him and whoever's going to play goalie for them and depending on what the cap looks like they might have $15 to 20 mil to work with.....also who knows if Landeskog does another season of LTIR giving them even more regular season space. With Igor and K'Andre still to do we won't have anywhere near what we would need to sign Rantanen and I wouldn't be tearing apart the team to get him. Again Kreider's one of the better contracts in the league. Mika I don't think will be very movable if there's any inclination to do that yet. The movable large contract is Trouba and Lindgren I suspect will go to unrestricted free agency. Without those two---there's Fox, Miller, Schneider, Mancini, Jones---we'll probably need to bring in a D or two next year. Might not be a big name depending on how many $'s are available.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Rantanen isn't happening. Even if we move Kreider, we won't have the cap space. We'd have to let Shesty walk as well.

We would have space. If we move trouba and kreider and let lindgren walk and sign rantanen for $12mm

 

[GAGLine]

We would have space. If we move trouba and kreider and let lindgren walk and sign rantanen for $12mm

The cap is projected to go up to 92.5 mil. We have $66,512,857 committed to 8 forwards (Panarin, Zib, Kreider, Laf, Trocheck, Chytil, Carrick and Brodzinski) and 4 defensemen (Fox, Trouba, Schneider and Mancini). That leaves us with roughly 26 mil.

Assuming we don't retain on Kreider or Trouba, and we don't take back any contracts, that raises our total to 40.5 mil. We need to leave ourselves some cap space for in-season transactions, so let's call it 40 mil, with 7 forwards and 3 dmen under contract.

Shesty 12 mil, Rantanen 12 mil, Miller 6 mil. That leaves us 10 mil, and we still need 5 forwards, 3 dmen and a backup goalie, because we aren't going into the season without at least 1 spare forward and 1 spare dman. But even if we do go with a 21-man roster, that's still 10 mil for 8 players, and you want to sign Cuylle (2.5 mil), Kakko (3 mil), and Pettersson, who makes 4 mil now and could get even more as a UFA.

So, no, we can't afford Rantanen. It's basic math.

 

[Leetch3]

So much for letting Rempe develop in Hartford...

if he's gonna play against anyone, washington is the team. but this is likely short term. vesey is eligible to come off LTIR after friday's game so expect rempe to be back in hartford this weekend

 

[bernmeister]

Mancini stepping up is so big for us. Replacing troubas cap hit with an elc is huge.

What do we project kandre and cuylle to re-sign for?

Im think we let lindgren go and trouba traded. Sign marcus pettersson and move kreider if it means landing rantenen.

Laff-Mika-Rantanen
Panarin-Trocheck-Perreault
Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko
Berard-Carrick-Edstrom
Rempe

Kandre-Fox
Pettersson-Schneider
Jones-Mancini

(i’d be willing to move othmann at the deadline for the right piece)

Would not consider trading Kreider*; only possible exception might be McAvoy

* obv McD, Matthews etc are never on the table

 

[Machinehead]

Rantanen's not a $12m player.

He's never had to carry the load.

 

[bernmeister]

The cap is projected to go up to 92.5 mil. We have $66,512,857 committed to 8 forwards (Panarin, Zib, Kreider, Laf, Trocheck, Chytil, Carrick and Brodzinski) and 4 defensemen (Fox, Trouba, Schneider and Mancini). That leaves us with roughly 26 mil.

Assuming we don't retain on Kreider or Trouba, and we don't take back any contracts, that raises our total to 40.5 mil. We need to leave ourselves some cap space for in-season transactions, so let's call it 40 mil, with 7 forwards and 3 dmen under contract.

Shesty 12 mil, Rantanen 12 mil, Miller 6 mil. That leaves us 10 mil, and we still need 5 forwards, 3 dmen and a backup goalie, because we aren't going into the season without at least 1 spare forward and 1 spare dman. But even if we do go with a 21-man roster, that's still 10 mil for 8 players, and you want to sign Cuylle (2.5 mil), Kakko (3 mil), and Pettersson, who makes 4 mil now and could get even more as a UFA.

So, no, we can't afford Rantanen. It's basic math.

concur
rant - cannot afford, do not want

 

[Kravtsov420]

let's talk about Kravtsov. It's been a while.

Let’s not

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

Im surprised the team doesn’t cry about jt miller more.

Buch was good here. JT was nowhere near what he became in Vancouver

 

[mas0764]

Mancini stepping up is so big for us. Replacing troubas cap hit with an elc is huge.

What do we project kandre and cuylle to re-sign for?

Im think we let lindgren go and trouba traded. Sign marcus pettersson and move kreider if it means landing rantenen.

Laff-Mika-Rantanen
Panarin-Trocheck-Perreault
Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko
Berard-Carrick-Edstrom
Rempe

Kandre-Fox
Pettersson-Schneider
Jones-Mancini

(i’d be willing to move othmann at the deadline for the right piece)

We don't need to invest another big contract into a winger, we have Laf, Kakko, Panarin, Perrault, Othmann, Berard.

We need a center.

 

[TGWL]

If you score over 100 points, you're getting near 12m. The cap is going up. We can talk all day about how these players aren't worth 10, 11, or 12m, but that's what they're going to get going forward. It's no longer going to be top 3 or 5 players only making 11+

So when you have a player at 6.5 potting constant 30+ goal seasons, it's hard to not call that contract a steal.

 

[noncents]

Buch was good here. JT was nowhere near what he became in Vancouver

trading buch was like watching Laf break out on the bread line and saying okay let's not pay him let's send him to calgary for ryan lomberg he won a cup

 

[GAGLine]

We need a center.

Do we? Mika isn't playing to the standard we expect, but I don't see any option to move him. Trocheck is well worth his cap hit. If anything, he is underpaid. Chytil is playing extremely well, and we've got plenty of guys who can center the 4th line.

If Chytil gets hurt again and, assuming he's out for an extended period again, yes, we will need a center. It wouldn't be easy to replace him though, both in terms of our limited cap space and in terms of his play.

If Chytil remains healthy, there's no need for a center. Not on the current roster. In our prospect pool, yes, we could use a high-level center prospect who can eventually replace one of our current top 3 depending on play/cost/health.

 

[eco's bones]

Organizationally you want players to hit regardless of what position they play. It's a win every time the scouts draft an NHL worthy player. More is expected of 1st and 2nd rounders.....after that it's pretty much whatever you can get. From my perspective our drafting has been great the last several years. Mancini, Edstrom, Rempe....probably Berard and Laba. There might be a few others and that's fantastic.

I don't see center as a big hole either. As long as Chytil can stay healthy we've got our top 3 lines covered.

 

[NYR Viper]

Organizationally you want players to hit regardless of what position they play. It's a win every time the scouts draft an NHL worthy player. More is expected of 1st and 2nd rounders.....after that it's pretty much whatever you can get. From my perspective our drafting has been great the last several years. Mancini, Edstrom, Rempe....probably Berard and Laba. There might be a few others and that's fantastic.

I don't see center as a big hole either. As long as Chytil can stay healthy we've got our top 3 lines covered.

I'd say that center is clearly the area of least depth in the organization. I like Laba and BMB as depth options. It would be nice to see a young center come in and be able to play a bit,.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I'd say that center is clearly the area of least depth in the organization. I like Laba and BMB as depth options. It would be nice to see a young center come in and be able to play a bit,.

The problem is that any center we draft will likely be in the high 20s.
Those all have flaws and while we have time to let them sit and simmer we do need one high end center to develop.

laba and bmb are middle 6 at best, and they’re iffy to even make an nhl roster.

We won’t be drafting high anytime soon and that’s where you really get those high end pieces.
I do think organizationally we know we need a center, it’s just we had other priorities.
Now we’ve got prime prospects at forward, defense, so we need a developing center or two to ensure the window stays wide open.

 

[Greg02]

I think there is a reasonable, well-founded belief that you need top centers to win. I mean, centers are literally in the middle of it all. They have the most responsibility among forwards in all zones and because of that, often the best players play C.

That said, I strongly suspect you can successfully build teams around strength on the wings and in some ways I think it can lead to better outcomes. There isn't necessarily a reason to couple things like defensive zone role and taking faceoffs with being the playmaking center of gravity on the attack. Look at Trocheck. It's well understood that he is our 1C right now and outperforming his salary, but has he actually changed so much in terms of ability since joining the Rangers? Or is it just that you can take a solid center, zag while everyone else is zigging, and get outsized value from it?

 

[IDvsEGO]

I think there is a reasonable, well-founded belief that you need top centers to win. I mean, centers are literally in the middle of it all. They have the most responsibility among forwards in all zones and because of that, often the best players play C.

That said, I strongly suspect you can successfully build teams around strength on the wings and in some ways I think it can lead to better outcomes. There isn't necessarily a reason to couple things like defensive zone role and taking faceoffs with being the playmaking center of gravity on the attack. Look at Trocheck. It's well understood that he is our 1C right now and outperforming his salary, but has he actually changed so much in terms of ability since joining the Rangers? Or is it just that you can take a solid center, zag while everyone else is zigging, and get outsized value from it?

We are spending different.
Elite wing, versus elite centers.

We saw St. Louis win with ror down the middle, not exactly mcdavid.

i think there’s an argument that we are getting maximum value we can. It’s easier to find elite wingers than elite centers, and you can raise a center if you have an elite wing.

I think we’ve centered around elite defense, goaltending with high performance wingers.

But you do need to defend against the elite centers. So it is a bit of can your style still win that matchup.
La has tried 3x in a row and still can’t.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think there is a reasonable, well-founded belief that you need top centers to win. I mean, centers are literally in the middle of it all. They have the most responsibility among forwards in all zones and because of that, often the best players play C.

That said, I strongly suspect you can successfully build teams around strength on the wings and in some ways I think it can lead to better outcomes. There isn't necessarily a reason to couple things like defensive zone role and taking faceoffs with being the playmaking center of gravity on the attack. Look at Trocheck. It's well understood that he is our 1C right now and outperforming his salary, but has he actually changed so much in terms of ability since joining the Rangers? Or is it just that you can take a solid center, zag while everyone else is zigging, and get outsized value from it?

I think there is something to be said about signing a good middle-6 center who is a good two-way guy and surrounding him with very good wingers. Trochek is a good example.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I think there is something to be said about signing a good middle-6 center who is a good two-way guy and surrounding him with very good wingers. Trochek is a good example.

So long as you can surround him with talent, absolutely.

I’m not sure trocheck is ever a cup 1c, but he’s absolutely a cup 2c.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Priority 1 is a LD upgrade for 2025, the template says:

Miller Fox
??? Schneider
Jones Manicotti

 

[NYR Viper]

So long as you can surround him with talent, absolutely.

I’m not sure trocheck is ever a cup 1c, but he’s absolutely a cup 2c.

Eh, I think if we are looking at the mold of Mackinnon and McDavid it's clearly a 'no' but in fairness, Panarin, Lafreniere and Kreider are what I would call good to elite 1st line wingers.

I'll say this, if Zibanejad would play at the level that Trochek is right now, I would have no real concerns with the top-6 centers. Especially given Chytil's play as 3C. So the top-end isn't the concern, it's that 2nd line center spot at the moment.