Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[SA16]

Why are we possibly wasting deadline cap space by calling Rempe up on an off day? Just call him up tomorrow if they actually intend on playing him then, and if they don't, don't call him (or anyone) up at all.

 

[tlk]

Zegras 2p in 8

 

[Ruggs225]

Ok, but that is not how a powerplay works. Panarin/Trocheck aren't succeeding on their own. They are succeeding as part of the unit. Who is to say they would still be performing at the same level without a one time threat on the left side (whether or not you think Mika is good at that is really immaterial since teams still account for it defensively). Would Panarin have as much room on the right side and Trocheck in the bumper without Kreider in front and the defense knowing they need to collapse down low to defend him since he is very dangerous at tipping pucks and getting rebounds if they leave him space?

You could say Panarin is a great player and he would produce on the PP at a similar level without that structure but would he? In four years in CBJ/CHI he never had more than 24 points in a season on the PP. The last 3 years as a Ranger he's had 44,36,37. That is not just the league being higher scoring. In 18-19 Kucherov led the league with 48 PPP. Panarin was T-68 with 18. In his last 3 years as a Ranger, all in this setup, he's been 7th, 12th, 4th, and is currently T-12.

How do u know if we never try. Lav has never tried different combos. Its the same thing over and over again.

This PP feels stale. Whats the harm in trying something new for 10 games. We need to see what Kakko and Laf are truly capable of. Especially with the upcoming offseason.

You can always go back to the original setup. If it isnt working.

To me the early regular season os the time to tinker for this team. Its not like we are going to miss the playoffs.

But lav is proving very stubborn in making changes.

 

[SA16]

How do u know if we never try. Lav has never tried different combos. Its the same thing over and over again.

This PP feels stale. Whats the harm in trying something new for 10 games. We need to see what Kakko and Laf are truly capable of. Especially with the upcoming offseason.

You can always go back to the original setup. If it isnt working.

To me the early regular season os the time to tinker for this team. Its not like we are going to miss the playoffs.

But lav is proving very stubborn in making changes.

Nothing wrong with trying new things but you are extremely unlikely to improve on a PP that finished 11th best in the last 20 years last year. They also rank in the top 5 in most categories this year. The PP1, in 20 minutes, has a 154 CF60, 14.5 GF60, 10.6 xGF60. That is, for example, way higher than EDM in almost every category, and better than they did in any season ever in many categories.


What I don't understand is why we get the whole speech nonstop of it going "Stale" every time it goes a couple of games without scoring. The best PPs are like 27%. With that rates they will all go games without scoring.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Zegras 2p in 8

Z for Z 1 for 1 everybody wins

Ok, but that is not how a powerplay works. Panarin/Trocheck aren't succeeding on their own. They are succeeding as part of the unit. Who is to say they would still be performing at the same level without a one time threat on the left side (whether or not you think Mika is good at that is really immaterial since teams still account for it defensively). Would Panarin have as much room on the right side and Trocheck in the bumper without Kreider in front and the defense knowing they need to collapse down low to defend him since he is very dangerous at tipping pucks and getting rebounds if they leave him space?

You could say Panarin is a great player and he would produce on the PP at a similar level without that structure but would he? In four years in CBJ/CHI he never had more than 24 points in a season on the PP. The last 3 years as a Ranger he's had 44,36,37. That is not just the league being higher scoring. In 18-19 Kucherov led the league with 48 PPP. Panarin was T-68 with 18. In his last 3 years as a Ranger, all in this setup, he's been 7th, 12th, 4th, and is currently T-12.

Our powerplay setup is braindead. It only works because Panarin and Fox are savants.

What other team runs this dumb ass alignment? Zib can stay on PP1 but they need to change the alignment and get him in the middle.

 

[Ruggs225]

Nothing wrong with trying new things but you are extremely unlikely to improve on a PP that finished 11th best in the last 20 years last year.


What I don't understand is why we get the whole speech nonstop of it going "Stale" every time it goes a couple of games without scoring. The best PPs are like 27%. With that rates they will all go games without scoring.

i mean the PP hasnt looked good since florida series. Maybe a spark here or there, but we are so predictable.

I dont think we can replace zib with laff and call it a day bc they liked the 4 righties on the PP. So maybe they need to make a major overhaul.

Pit zib and kreider on PP2 so they can spend every waking second together. Then move kk and laff up.

Need to start giving the kids a real chance to grow.

If it doesnt work then u know what u have as well.

 

[SA16]

Z for Z 1 for 1 everybody wins


Our powerplay setup is braindead. It only works because Panarin and Fox are savants.

What other team runs this dumb ass alignment? Zib can stay on PP1 but they need to change the alignment and get him in the middle.

11th best PP out of 580 in 20 years is braindead? 25.2% over the last 3 years with these players (3rd best) is braindead?

Maybe more teams should be running this alignment given the success.

How come the savant Panarin was never particularly good on the PP before he got to the Rangers? 4.7 pts/60 pre-Rangers. 7.4 as a Ranger.

 

[TominNC]

But it's the same thing over and over and over! Success.

Crazy obsession with padding some guys stats at the expense of team success. It's stale. Ha. Other teams wish they were so stale. Tough to find any coach who will take apart something that works.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Forever Blue Shirt podcast. Jim Cerny with Randy Moller:

 

[leetch99]

I just started watching that Amazon Prime hockey series..In the first couple episodes, Filip Forsberg's wife said how scary the physical aspect of the game is to her after Forsberg got a concussion, plus having a child and another baby on the way, and how she told him no more fighting or something to that effect. Quite possible Zib and his wife had a similar conversation about playing it safer given his past injuries and having a kid now.

The Bergeron reverse hit maybe took something out of him .

 

[TGWL]

Shesty is a better playoff goalie than Hank was.

Anyone who doesn’t think that he’s stolen them a series wasn’t watching in 2022 when he stole them 2. They housed the Caps last year and I think they were better than Carolina in their series when you look at it on the hole but he stole game 3 and was the better goalie in game 2 when both guys were good.

It's hard to choose right now. Both have has some great playoff years. Scoring is up now so naturally you think the edge should go to Shesterkin, but then you remember what turds were standing in front of Henrik. If you want to compare career or first several seasons, the numbers won't favor Lundqvist. But If you look at the window of opportunity we had when competing, Lundqvist posted a Sv% .930/ GAA 2.05 in 76 playoff games during that 2011- end of 2015 season range.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

But it's the same thing over and over and over! Success.

Crazy obsession with padding some guys stats at the expense of team success. It's stale. Ha. Other teams wish they were so stale. Tough to find any coach who will take apart something that works.

its not working.

It used to work.

Zibanejad used to be good.

Kreider scored like 27 ppgs 3 years ago.

PP has been ass the year.

It was ass in the playoffs.

Zib and Kreider line was good like 4 years ago.

Its tough to have a coach that is so resistant to change.

in 2024-25 we are purposely handicapping ourselves because of what used to work, and team politics.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Ok, but that is not how a powerplay works. Panarin/Trocheck aren't succeeding on their own. They are succeeding as part of the unit. Who is to say they would still be performing at the same level without a one time threat on the left side (whether or not you think Mika is good at that is really immaterial since teams still account for it defensively). Would Panarin have as much room on the right side and Trocheck in the bumper without Kreider in front and the defense knowing they need to collapse down low to defend him since he is very dangerous at tipping pucks and getting rebounds if they leave him space?

You could say Panarin is a great player and he would produce on the PP at a similar level without that structure but would he? In four years in CBJ/CHI he never had more than 24 points in a season on the PP. The last 3 years as a Ranger he's had 44,36,37. That is not just the league being higher scoring. In 18-19 Kucherov led the league with 48 PPP. Panarin was T-68 with 18. In his last 3 years as a Ranger, all in this setup, he's been 7th, 12th, 4th, and is currently T-12.

It just comes down to whether you think a half wall player putting up one assist in an hour of power play time is a fluke or not

 

[noncents]

you know who id trade zib for straight up?

pavel buchnevich

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

you know who id trade zib for straight up?

pavel buchnevich

should be a crying reaction on here

 

[noncents]

let's talk about buch. it's been a while.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

I don’t have time to find the numbers but I am almost positive that there is extreme quality of competition splits with power play 1. I want them to be able to score and generate against FLA, CAR, etc

 

[IDvsEGO]

let's talk about buch. it's been a while.

Im surprised the team doesn’t cry about jt miller more.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Im surprised the team doesn’t cry about jt miller more.

He sucked as a Ranger, sucked as a Lightning. I highly doubt he became the player he is today without the wake-up call of being traded twice in a year, he’s said as such. And still despite the player he’s become he still has a lot of warts and is still prone to making absolutely bonehead plays very often and is still butting heads in lockerrooms (with Pettersson, and formerly Horvat). Buch was also like the only RW ever to have chemistry with Kreider-Mika

 

[kovazub94]

….Quite possible Zib and his wife had a similar conversation about playing it safer given his past injuries and having a kid now.

IMO that’s plausible

Can somebody send a link to todays GDT